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Posted: 2004-09-10 05:26pm
by Dahak
Pablo Sanchez wrote:Dahak wrote:If they're not beating themselves up to a bloodied pulp over the course of this war
This is why we're giving them time, remember? The victors will lose ships, no doubt, but they will receive territories, new resources, and war indemnities to finance their rebuilding which the neutral powers will not have.
But neutral powers don't have to deal with losses, and can do some peaceful expansion of unoccupied systems as well over this time...
It's not like the few neutral powers suddenly would fall behind like a third-world nation
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:27pm
by Straha
Dahak wrote:Pablo Sanchez wrote:Dahak wrote:If they're not beating themselves up to a bloodied pulp over the course of this war
This is why we're giving them time, remember? The victors will lose ships, no doubt, but they will receive territories, new resources, and war indemnities to finance their rebuilding which the neutral powers will not have.
But neutral powers don't have to deal with losses, and can do some peaceful expansion of unoccupied systems as well over this time...
It's not like the few neutral powers suddenly would fall behind like a third-world nation
They wont fall behind like a third-world nation, but they wont stay on par with the victors in the war. The Neutrals will be powerful, but nowhere near the most powerful.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:28pm
by Rogue 9
Pablo Sanchez wrote:I think you're beginning to realize that you aren't as strong as you were boasting to Thirdfain lo those many days ago. I think he and the Unification knew it all along.
We didn't think the Unification would all throw in with him. Next time someone wants to raze Earth, I am
not going to come to the rescue, if Monacora really wants to follow Stalin's advice on gratitude like they are. Bastards.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:31pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Dahak wrote:But neutral powers don't have to deal with losses, and can do some peaceful expansion of unoccupied systems as well over this time...
A newly colonized unoccupied system requires effort to be made productive, and even then, they'll be far less productive than a developed system which has just been annexed. Which German gains in the period of 1870-1914 do you think were more useful: German East Africa or Alsace-Lorraine?
It's not like the few neutral powers suddenly would fall behind like a third-world nation
No. But it's not like they're going to suddenly expand and advance much faster than far more aggressive powers.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:33pm
by Rogue 9
Darksider, kindly explain why your navy's not in your OOB. Or I intend to tell you that you can't attack us with nothing.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:37pm
by Straha
Rogue 9 wrote:Pablo Sanchez wrote:I think you're beginning to realize that you aren't as strong as you were boasting to Thirdfain lo those many days ago. I think he and the Unification knew it all along.
We didn't think the Unification would all throw in with him. Next time someone wants to raze Earth, I am
not going to come to the rescue, if Monacora really wants to follow Stalin's advice on gratitude like they are. Bastards.
Right now our people are looking at the Ousters and saying 'We know the pain' and then we're looking at you trying to protect the guilty party and saying, 'Those absolute bastards! That's as bad as what the Arcanists did, if not worse!'
That's one of the reasons why were going into this, not to mention the Alliance's history of having shady charecters that seemed to go out of their way to piss off Monacora (well, to be granted it was just two nations but still) and you can understand why were doing this.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:37pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Rogue 9 wrote:Darksider, kindly explain why your navy's not in your OOB. Or I intend to tell you that you can't attack us with nothing.
He did what? Oh, for fuck's sake... Darksider, you will run (not walk) to the relevant thread and post your fleet Order of Battle before you do
anything else in the game.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:40pm
by Darksider
I was getting to it
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:41pm
by Rogue 9
Darksider wrote:I was getting to it
Yeah, apparently you've been getting to it for a while now.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:41pm
by Straha
Don't be too harsh on him, he forgot to copy it over from his original OOB. Here it is from that:
Ships
Wrathfull class dreadnaught-eight in service, none under construction
The Wrathfull class superdreadnaught is a massive spaceborne killing machine. It is designed to engange and destroy superior numbers of enemy vessels. It is armed with three ultra heavy fusion cannons, twenty heavy neutron guns, forty heavy laser cannons, fifty plasma cannons, fifty heavy particle beam guns, and seven hundred point defense lasers.
Carries two full fighter wings
Glory-II Class Battleship-25 in service, 5 under construction
The Glory-II class is the standard battleship of the KSN It is armed with two fusion cannons, ten neutron guns, fifteen laser cannons, fourty medium plasma cannons, twenty heavy particle beams and four hundred PDLs
Carries 36 fighters
Krytos class cruiser- 35 in service, 10 under construction
Premier ship of the line for the KSN, it is armed with one fusion cannon, five neutron guns, fifteen laser cannons, twenty plasma cannons, ten particle beams and two hundred point defense lasers
carries 24 fighters
Defender class frigate-50 in service, 20 under construction
The Defender class frigate serves as an escort for larger vessels. It is armed with five neutron guns, ten laser cannons, fifteen plasma cannons, five particle beams and fifty point defense lasers
carries 12 fighters
Guardian class patrol destroyer-550 in service, 150 under construction.
Guardians serve as system patrol craft for the KSN. They are armed with two neutron guns, five laser cannons, five plasma cannons, two particle beams, and ten PDLs
Guardstar class orbital battle platform-six around every major world, three around minor colonies
The Guardstar class serves as the primary static defense of the KSE. Armed with five fusion cannons, nintey neutron guns, one hundred laser cannons, one hundred and fifty plasma cannons, fifty particle beams and one thousand point defense lasers, and three full fighter wings, they can engage entire fleets.
And
Newly built ships
2 dreadnaughts
5 battleships
5 cruisers
5 frigates
50 patrol destroyers.
(all these ships have been under construction since the start of the game, and were fast tracked during the war with the covenant.)
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:43pm
by Darksider
it's larger than that though, I went through two major fleet build-ups
I'll draw up a comprehensive fleet-based OOB as quick as I can
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:45pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Straha wrote:Don't be too harsh on him, he forgot to copy it over from his original OOB.
I'm aware. That is the reason he isn't being penalized.
Posted: 2004-09-10 05:49pm
by Darksider
Pablo Sanchez wrote:Straha wrote:Don't be too harsh on him, he forgot to copy it over from his original OOB.
I'm aware. That is the reason he isn't being penalized.
I just put the first through fifth fleets up.
Gimme a sec to put the sixth up there
Posted: 2004-09-10 06:06pm
by Thirdfain
We didn't think the Unification would all throw in with him. Next time someone wants to raze Earth, I am not going to come to the rescue, if Monacora really wants to follow Stalin's advice on gratitude like they are. Bastards.
And now you know. I don't bluff.
Posted: 2004-09-10 06:35pm
by Rogue 9
Darksider, prepare to be short one battle fleet. Should have read Frigid's defense setup in his OOB.
Posted: 2004-09-10 06:50pm
by Rogue 9
So Darksider, tell me, at what point did you stop and construct an early warning net reporting to you around the system? And damn, that's some fast organization for the jump to lightspeed. Your entire fleet cleared the system in a few minutes with enough time to spare so that the UP reinforcements never even made contact? Not to get into calling shots and calling the destruction of a large battle station...
Posted: 2004-09-10 06:52pm
by Darksider
Alright, i'll edit the jump to lightspeed, but the battlestation is a forgone conclusion.
It's taking fire from my entire fleet. There's no way it can hold out for more than a few minutes.
Posted: 2004-09-10 08:51pm
by Straha
By the way, Darksider, what is your AIM SN? Because you never seem to answer the one you have listed in your profile.
Posted: 2004-09-10 08:54pm
by Darksider
Straha wrote:By the way, Darksider, what is your AIM SN? Because you never seem to answer the one you have listed in your profile.
It's Darksi3190
But, I never answer it.
all I ever get Im's from are a bunch of porn bots, so you'll have to tell me whatever AIM SN you go by so I don't click no
Posted: 2004-09-10 09:07pm
by Straha
Darksider wrote:Straha wrote:By the way, Darksider, what is your AIM SN? Because you never seem to answer the one you have listed in your profile.
It's Darksi3190
But, I never answer it.
all I ever get Im's from are a bunch of porn bots, so you'll have to tell me whatever AIM SN you go by so I don't click no
Well it's very obvious:
StrahaofSpam
Posted: 2004-09-10 10:08pm
by Bugsby
I don't care when you get around to doing it, Aly, but your ships need to come out of hyperspace and defend your system at some point....
Posted: 2004-09-10 10:13pm
by Rogue 9
Damn it, I can't run this entire Alliance by myself... *Grumble*
Posted: 2004-09-10 10:26pm
by Rogue 9
Great. Now why couldn't I do that when Bugsby was coming after me? He didn't even have interdictors.
Posted: 2004-09-10 10:29pm
by Darksider
Rogue 9 wrote:Great. Now why couldn't I do that when Bugsby was coming after me? He didn't even have interdictors.
I was already in position to run when you showed up, and I wasn't in the middle of extracting troops from a planet.
Posted: 2004-09-10 10:32pm
by Rogue 9
Darksider wrote:Rogue 9 wrote:Great. Now why couldn't I do that when Bugsby was coming after me? He didn't even have interdictors.
I was already in position to run when you showed up, and I wasn't in the middle of extracting troops from a planet.
And I had four interdictors in the system. You shouldn't have been able to jump. And I have your last known trajectory, so don't tell me what I do and do not know about which way you were going. And somehow you get to call hits and destruction on my ships, yet yours just merrily shoot down the vast majority of an entire fleet's worth of missiles, dictate my targeting to ships that the remaining ones can't effectively damage, and escape without a scratch. You damned powergamer.