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Exactly what do people think the rammafications will be of instantaneous bulk shipping, courier delivery, and personal travel on our world?

Fuel costs are down, perhaps, but are people in Hell going to start driving? We need to start developing what the Armageddon-verse is going to look like by the time Pantheocide kicks off.

Anyone up for a new thread?

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Exactly what do people think the rammafications will be of instantaneous bulk shipping, courier delivery, and personal travel on our world?

Fuel costs are down, perhaps, but are people in Hell going to start driving? We need to start developing what the Armageddon-verse is going to look like by the time Pantheocide kicks off.

Anyone up for a new thread?

Has it been established yet whether or not the dead eat? What is the economy of Hell based on other than shipping and information from the deceased?

In case you didn't get that: Wow! Just, wow! Uhhh, more, please, with sugar on top?

I'm a little sad that it's over, but I'm really looking forward to the next book.

Great work Stuart and the rest of you guys.

Oh. Wow. You know, considering that we now know there is an afterlife, I can sort of see the current life getting a touch more violent. While throwing Vicky boy into a pit full of rabid bulldogs might be illegal now, I can see a lot of societies picking up a lot of "punishment fits the crime" stuff over the next couple of generations. So what if someone gets torn to shreds by psychotic dogs? They're not gone forever, and maybe they'll learn their lesson about abusing others.

Also, I can see massive demographic problems looming in the future. Young people are wont to be stupid, but death tends to keep most people in line. Knowing that you have another (if significantly more limited) life waiting for you might encourage taking stupid risks that would not have otherwise been taken. Combined with the older generation starting to take up economic resources as they die instead of passing them on, this could create an atmosphere of despair and 'life is cheap' in the youngsters.

Finally, I've long thought that Iron Maiden's "Run to the Hills" modified by alcohol into "Run to the Hells" by drunken, off key soldiers would be a fitting song after Abigor's army retreated.

Awesome. Truly an amazing story, too bad that it's over. So, when does the next one start?

imagine what the jackass guys would start doing if they knew they wouldn't be 'dead' for long.

"what if this doesn't work?!"
"then we'll see you in hell, first one there has to book a room"

I could almost see a few people offering to let themselves be killed, or to kill themselves in an interesting way, for money. Yeah, they'd be in hell, but they'd be rich.


With super-healing, imagine the DFL (dead football league), where they play harder with no padding


It's been mentioned before, but I forsee very strict regulation of portal generation, and possibly a network of permanent terminals (like subway stations or airports) where you can go in between various parts of earth and hell.

Good job on the story, Stuart! Take a well-deserved break.

I'm very curious as to how the Heaven-Hell portals are set up. Aren't they on the same type of dimensional plane, the "separated Klein bottle worlds" universe?

gtg947h wrote:With super-healing, imagine the DFL (dead football league), where they play harder with no padding

We already play that on Earth, its called rugby, or Aussie Rules Football.

Nice ending, Stu. I did have an idea for a scene involving an RN survey ship mapping the oceans of Hell, but since Armageddon is finished I don't think that it would fit in.

Well done again.

EDIT: Be interesting to see the US Presidential election in the Armageddon universe. One wonders if all of the protagonists would be the same after The Message.

JN1 wrote:

gtg947h wrote:With super-healing, imagine the DFL (dead football league), where they play harder with no padding

We already play that on Earth, its called rugby, or Aussie Rules Football.

Nice ending, Stu. I did have an idea for a scene involving an RN survey ship mapping the oceans of Hell, but since Armageddon is finished I don't think that it would fit in.

Well done again.

EDIT: Be interesting to see the US Presidential election in the Armageddon universe. One wonders if all of the protagonists would be the same after The Message.

McCain/Lee in '08? Interesting notion; if a sitting President dies, can he serve out the remainder of his term from an 'infernal white house' in the American zone of hell?

Stuart wrote:I agree; but stuffing McNamara into the deepest circle of hell was an idea so delicious that I just couldn't resist it. I'll edit it out when the written version gets prepared, just look on it as a little self-indulgence.

No. Leave that scene in the story, and McNamara in the pit. That bastard deserves it for orders that lead to the deaths of thousands of American soldiers, deaths that could've been prevented if he wasn't in charge.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

JN1 wrote:

gtg947h wrote:With super-healing, imagine the DFL (dead football league), where they play harder with no padding

We already play that on Earth, its called rugby, or Aussie Rules Football.

Nice ending, Stu. I did have an idea for a scene involving an RN survey ship mapping the oceans of Hell, but since Armageddon is finished I don't think that it would fit in.

Well done again.

EDIT: Be interesting to see the US Presidential election in the Armageddon universe. One wonders if all of the protagonists would be the same after The Message.

McCain/Lee in '08? Interesting notion; if a sitting President dies, can he serve out the remainder of his term from an 'infernal white house' in the American zone of hell?

In a similar vein does a monarch, or a member of the aristocracy keep their titles after death, or does one lose that?
Since Caesar has already set up a new nation in Hell I wonder if there will be some sort of modern 'Scramble for Africa' by the nations on Earth. The dead may wish to live with people of their own nationality and culture, but that too is not without its potential problems, Can, for example someone from 1860 get along with someone from 1980 in one political unit? Will we see political divisions based on the age in which people died?

That's some spiffy Starship Troopers stuff! Paul Verhoven would make a perfect director for an Armageddon movie!

To Stuart and to all who contributed in whatever way, BRAVO.

Armegeddon!!! has been a wild ride and one of unusual quality, whether one considers material on the net or in print.

With WW just finished Stuart, you and yours deserve a break.

This was an excellent story, and wonderfully ended for this part. Wonderful work Stuart, I look forward to the rest.

ray245 wrote:Which brings back the issue that alot of christian will dismiss the protrayal of Yahweh in this story as a different god, and not the christian god.

If I remember correctly, this is how one guy said about this story. 'Oh the story is fun, but I can accept such a story because this is not god as we know it.'

Wasn't this whole thing resolved in-universe for the Roman Catholic Church through that "excommunicate Yahweh" speech? (The Pope basically said, "yeah... we're still for the teachings of Jesus Christ, but Yahweh isn't exactly the God we were following... so screw him.")

If a religious person who's still having problems with the basic premise manages to read that far, I think that that would be a convenient enough excuse to keep reading.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's some spiffy Starship Troopers stuff! Paul Verhoven would make a perfect director for an Armageddon movie!

No.

Just.....No.

*big exhale*

That was a hell of a thing. Well done to everyone who contributed, and sincere thanks to Stuart for the time he took away from work and his Corvette to give us this day our daily chapter(give or take).

Very much looking forward to the next book... Starting in about six months?

Peptuck wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's some spiffy Starship Troopers stuff! Paul Verhoven would make a perfect director for an Armageddon movie!

No.

Just.....No.

You're right. Michael Bay, then. Or perhaps Uwe Boll?

Personally, I think the biggest problem with the idea of bringing such a film to screen is that any Hollywood studio would massively butcher it in an attempt to please "focus groups". By the time they were done, it would be about fighting monsters produced by genetic experimentation, and Satan would be replaced by a mad scientist who lives on stem cells.

Darth Wong wrote:Personally, I think the biggest problem with the idea of bringing such a film to screen is that any Hollywood studio would massively butcher it in an attempt to please "focus groups". By the time they were done, it would be about fighting monsters produced by genetic experimentation, and Satan would be replaced by a mad scientist who lives on stem cells.

I'm pretty sure that movie was already made by Uwe Boll.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:That's some spiffy Starship Troopers stuff! Paul Verhoven would make a perfect director for an Armageddon movie!

You know, it occurred to me that with all the interesting subplots Armageddon could make a pretty good TV show. Although you'd probably have to make the war more even since the War on Hell would need to last for one, more likely several seasons worth of episodes.

Stuart wrote:Oh, by the way, to give everybody a really good laugh on a Monday morning; I was reading some comments on Armageddon on an Alternate-History site. This one was really prize.

"Its completely unrealistic, Satan wouldn't fight like that"

Exsqueeze me, with have M1 tanks shooting the crap out of Hell and he's worried about realism. I just cracked up laughing.

Would you happen to have the link? I'd be interested in reading it.

Darth Wong wrote:Personally, I think the biggest problem with the idea of bringing such a film to screen is that any Hollywood studio would massively butcher it in an attempt to please "focus groups". By the time they were done, it would be about fighting monsters produced by genetic experimentation, and Satan would be replaced by a mad scientist who lives on stem cells.

For starters there's the whole incredibly politically incorrect "God is evil" premise. Realistically I suspect most Holywood producers would be incredibly wary of putting their name to something like that; they'd probably demand it be changed to something more palatable to the general public. And while a movie version of Armageddon might squeak through with some alterations I really don't see any film-maker who cares about PR being willing to touch a Pantheocide movie with a ten foot pole.

JN1 wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

JN1 wrote: We already play that on Earth, its called rugby, or Aussie Rules Football.

Nice ending, Stu. I did have an idea for a scene involving an RN survey ship mapping the oceans of Hell, but since Armageddon is finished I don't think that it would fit in.

Well done again.

EDIT: Be interesting to see the US Presidential election in the Armageddon universe. One wonders if all of the protagonists would be the same after The Message.

McCain/Lee in '08? Interesting notion; if a sitting President dies, can he serve out the remainder of his term from an 'infernal white house' in the American zone of hell?

In a similar vein does a monarch, or a member of the aristocracy keep their titles after death, or does one lose that?

Probably be listed as Rtd

Since Caesar has already set up a new nation in Hell I wonder if there will be some sort of modern 'Scramble for Africa' by the nations on Earth. The dead may wish to live with people of their own nationality and culture, but that too is not without its potential problems, Can, for example someone from 1860 get along with someone from 1980 in one political unit? Will we see political divisions based on the age in which people died?

Perhaps a lot would depend on family reunions, and going from there? (Henry VIII is going to have a lot of explaining to do.) I think that people will go with what they are familiar with, to be honest, and you will get, roughly, nations built around that eventually.

I really don't see any film-maker who cares about PR being willing to touch a Pantheocide movie with a ten foot pole.

Guillermo Del Toro?

Stas Bush wrote:

I really don't see any film-maker who cares about PR being willing to touch a Pantheocide movie with a ten foot pole.

Guillermo Del Toro?

Jackson might do it.