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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Shinn Langley Soryu, do you want to do a write up on your visit to Byzantium or?

I've been meaning to do just that for a while now, but real life's been getting in the way lately.

Sure.. take your time. We will set it to unreal time then.

Make sure Lelouch wipes his mouth with a hanky.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Make sure Lelouch wipes his mouth with a hanky.

Well... he has a harem of two women to help him do that..

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Make sure Lelouch wipes his mouth with a hanky.

Well... he has a harem of two women to help him do that..

A harem of only two? That, sir, doesn't even qualify as a "rowdy party". Small-timer.

Damned polygamists....

Coyote wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Make sure Lelouch wipes his mouth with a hanky.

Well... he has a harem of two women to help him do that..

A harem of only two? That, sir, doesn't even qualify as a "rowdy party". Small-timer.

Lelouch only brought C.C., Kallen, and Shirley with him, so that makes three, not two. Milly and the others were left back home.

Three still doesn't count. You need at least 4. Preferably 40.

Uh, Baerne, you do realize the first troops to be there will be Indhopali troops from the border control forces between Sabika and Coilerburg, right?

Which is why I left things like time and who else was there vague. I may have posted first, but it won't be difficult at all to insert Indhopali and who-ever-else-is-there troops into the equation.

...so lemme get this straight, Ryan. On a snap order you're able to dispatch forces through the unclaimed wilderness between you and Sabika's western frontier and plan to drive your forces hundreds of miles across that nation to get to a site on the exact opposite end of Sabika?

Steve wrote:...so lemme get this straight, Ryan. On a snap order you're able to dispatch forces through the unclaimed wilderness between you and Sabika's western frontier and plan to drive your forces hundreds of miles across that nation to get to a site on the exact opposite end of Sabika?

Who said anything about a snap-order? I thought this was supposed to be in unreal time?

And *NOBODY* said it was at the other end of Sabika. I'd have sent my forces via the river.

Ryan Thunder wrote:

Steve wrote:...so lemme get this straight, Ryan. On a snap order you're able to dispatch forces through the unclaimed wilderness between you and Sabika's western frontier and plan to drive your forces hundreds of miles across that nation to get to a site on the exact opposite end of Sabika?

Who said anything about a snap-order? I thought this was supposed to be in unreal time?

And *NOBODY* said it was at the other end of Sabika. I'd have sent my forces via the river.

It is unreal time. My point is that even if this order came several hours after the attack, you're launching an operation with little to no pre-op preperations, and it seemed to me you were talking about a direct land movement.

As for nobody saying that Saffonburg and the Coiler-Sabikan border being on the opposite side of Sabika from you, well, I figured people would either A) remember the layout of the map or B) go double-check the map.

Steve wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote:

Steve wrote:...so lemme get this straight, Ryan. On a snap order you're able to dispatch forces through the unclaimed wilderness between you and Sabika's western frontier and plan to drive your forces hundreds of miles across that nation to get to a site on the exact opposite end of Sabika?

Who said anything about a snap-order? I thought this was supposed to be in unreal time?

And *NOBODY* said it was at the other end of Sabika. I'd have sent my forces via the river.

It is unreal time. My point is that even if this order came several hours after the attack, you're launching an operation with little to no pre-op preperations, and it seemed to me you were talking about a direct land movement.

Yes. My military trains for those because that's what we're most likely to have to do. They're as ready for it as any country's nuclear arsenal is for a counter-attack. Of course, going anywhere else from there would have to be thought out and planned. As it is, the only limiting factors are how long it takes to assemble them. That would be about 12-18 hours after the attack.

As for nobody saying that Saffonburg and the Coiler-Sabikan border being on the opposite side of Sabika from you, well, I figured people would either A) remember the layout of the map or B) go double-check the map.

I don't recall either of those being mentioned. But alright.

Fuck y'all military meanderings.

My elephant is already there.

Ryan Thunder wrote:Yes. My military trains for those because that's what we're most likely to have to do. They're as ready for it as any country's nuclear arsenal is for a counter-attack. Of course, going anywhere else from there would have to be thought out and planned. As it is, the only limiting factors are how long it takes to assemble them. That would be about 12-18 hours after the attack.

So, 12-18 hours to assemble. Then you have around 500 miles to go. Best you're likely going to get is 40 miles per hour. But that doesn't count the fact that a good portion of the trip will need to go through wilderness... if not all of it. You'd be lucky to get there in a week.

Beowulf wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote:Yes. My military trains for those because that's what we're most likely to have to do. They're as ready for it as any country's nuclear arsenal is for a counter-attack. Of course, going anywhere else from there would have to be thought out and planned. As it is, the only limiting factors are how long it takes to assemble them. That would be about 12-18 hours after the attack.

So, 12-18 hours to assemble. Then you have around 500 miles to go. Best you're likely going to get is 40 miles per hour. But that doesn't count the fact that a good portion of the trip will need to go through wilderness... if not all of it. You'd be lucky to get there in a week.

Five hundred miles?!

What the hell, Baerne is pretending he got there already, and he'd have to fly over Miratia just to be within a thousand miles of it, by that reckoning and nobody's giving him shit about it.

I've edited it to have them land from some of my river transports.

*notices Shroom's elephant post*

Alright Shroom. Either you lose the elephant, or I get to employ Berlioz and his NEXT from Armored Core 4 on a whim.

You complain about my deployments and then let that stuff slide. What?

Ryan Thunder wrote: *notices Shroom's elephant post*

Alright Shroom. Either you lose the elephant, or I get to employ Berlioz and his NEXT from Armored Core 4 on a whim.

Yeah, a ridiculous trained elephant is obviously equal to a supermecha

PeZook wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote: *notices Shroom's elephant post*

Alright Shroom. Either you lose the elephant, or I get to employ Berlioz and his NEXT from Armored Core 4 on a whim.

Yeah, a ridiculous trained elephant is obviously equal to a supermecha

Yeah yeah, I know, its totally disproportionate.

It's still marvelously stupid of him to do that while people are bitching at me about something as mundane as the time it takes my troops to get from A to B.

Ryan Thunder wrote:You complain about my deployments and then let that stuff slide. What? :banghead:

Shroom's stuff is creative and fun, not boring, hence why it would get less scrutiny, it fits with the whole 'having fun' approach to this.

Ryan Thunder wrote: It's still marvelously stupid of him to do that while people are bitching at me about something as mundane as the time it takes my troops to get from A to B.

Do what, exactly? Frank the Elephant may not be "realistic" per se, but he's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, while you invaded a country, complete with a major landing operation including AFVs.

PeZook wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote: It's still marvelously stupid of him to do that while people are bitching at me about something as mundane as the time it takes my troops to get from A to B.

Do what, exactly? Frank the Elephant may not be "realistic" per se, but he's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things,

It adds up, you know. I mean, silly acronyms and the odd silly contraption; okay, whatever. I could see that happening, with hilarious results.

An elephant secret operative is about as ridiculous as those land battleships I was persuaded not to build on accusations that they were unrealistic.

while you invaded a country, complete with a major landing operation including AFVs.

Yes. Because Baerne has magically inserted a squad to search for the missing VIPs via a helicopter that wouldn't make it half way there from the Republic across Miratia, even if he did have overflight permission (which I would be happy to grant, by the way.) He grabs them, I cordon off the area and search for the bastards who did it and any signs as to their motivations for doing so. The AFVs are there in case the locals get uppity about it. Gero doesn't trust Sabika to do it themselves because the attack indicates (to him, anyway) that they're incapable of even controlling their interior along a known flight path, let alone finding wannabe-assassins worth a damn.

Ryan Thunder wrote: An elephant secret operative is about as ridiculous as those land battleships I was persuaded not to build on accusations that they were unrealistic.

For all we know, it's just The Protector being batshit crazy and attributing a personality to Frank. I mean, seriously: Frank could just trudge into the area without hiding at all, and no Sabikan assassin would think it's a Shroomanian secret agent coming in to rescue their hostages

Yes. Because Baerne has magically inserted a squad to search for the missing VIPs via a helicopter that wouldn't make it half way there from the Republic across Miratia, even if he did have overflight permission (which I would be happy to grant, by the way.) He grabs them, I cordon off the area and search for the bastards who did it and any signs as to their motivations for doing so. The AFVs are there in case the locals get uppity about it. Gero doesn't trust Sabika to do it themselves because the attack indicates (to him, anyway) that they're incapable of even controlling their interior along a known flight path, let alone finding wannabe-assassins worth a damn.

I'm not supporting Baerne (can't find the goddamned map ), but even discounting the time it took to organize a landing, "not trusting Sabika" doesn't justify an invasion of a sovereign country. And with a CSR naval base in the south, you really don't want to act as if it does and set a precedent

I can't make it much more clear than this:



The blue bit in the lower left corner is Miratia. The red dot in the upper right is roughly the area where we've gone missing. To get there overland... You'd have to carve a swath through all of Sabika. You could probably get away with a few minor border violations considering the circumstances, but this really would not be a minor border violation. It would constitute an invasion.

EDIT: For your convenience, 14 is Coilerburg, 16 is Minoy, 17 is Sabika and 18 is Omago. Baerne would be located west of Miratia and south of San dorado, on the westernmost edge of the continent.

Hmm...yeah, under the circumstances, it's quite unlikely Baerne can get there first. Less unlikely than Ryan's men who would have to drive through an entire country, encountering inevitable resistance, but still won't happen.

Incidentally, CSR's paratroopers will also have several hours of flight before them

Besides, Frank the Elephant wasn't even created by me! I think Raj made him up when I was out of town or something.

AND this is an elite team of commandos. If you had Indhopali or Miratian special forces (without elephants) fast-deployed within the general area and sneaking about in the bush, it wouldn't be too far fetched. But deploying an entire armed column of tanks, artillery, convoys to refuel the combat vehicles, and all that kind of stuff, that's gonna take time to organize and deploy.

Travel light. Travel fast.

Travel elephant!


(Did you know that Frank the Elephant is trained to snap people's necks with his trunk? )