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I have to agree with you, I have no idea why the humans are suppoused to be stronger or faster than a T-800, the bullet time, and all that fancy matrix stuff is nothing more than the foreign entithy not wanting to follow the Matrix's rules. It takes great effort for a human to ignore it's perceptions, and Neo managed to do that, but for a T-800 you only flip the physics engine off, let the faster than human cpu run at full speed, and boom, 10 times the abilities of Neo, that's why i never took the Terminator vs Matrix stuff seriously.
To pwn more ass and quit having T-800s being thrown around by puny mortal men doomed to die.... but some reprogramming could probably do just as much.
It isnt how fast the user can process stuff, its how fast the system lets the user process stuff.Shogoki wrote:I have to agree with you, I have no idea why the humans are suppoused to be stronger or faster than a T-800, the bullet time, and all that fancy matrix stuff is nothing more than the foreign entithy not wanting to follow the Matrix's rules. It takes great effort for a human to ignore it's perceptions, and Neo managed to do that, but for a T-800 you only flip the physics engine off, let the faster than human cpu run at full speed, and boom, 10 times the abilities of Neo, that's why i never took the Terminator vs Matrix stuff seriously.
To pwn more ass and quit having T-800s being thrown around by puny mortal men doomed to die.... but some reprogramming could probably do just as much.
That aside, story is good so far.
When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.Omega-13 wrote:Very good writing! I update this thread a few times a day to catch the next chapter, but whats with the upgraded agents getting their asses handed to them by a single T-X?
that is the only part of your story I don't understand
are we watching different movies here? Terminators are stupidly slow in H2H, in T3, ,arnold basically just walked up to the T-X and threw her through a wall, its all just grab and toss sort of work. They'd never even lay a finger on an Agent. Those T-800's would find themselves turned into scrap metal, johnson punched through a steel door that was 2 inches thick. The T-X kicked the T-800's head off in T3, a single punch could do that from an upgraded Agent,Shroom Man 777 wrote:
When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.
Calm down Omega, there is a plot point yet to be revealed to the agent's inability to gain an upper hand on the Terminators. And to be fair, from watching the movies I think a 800 and an upgraded Agent would be pretty on par in terms of strength and durability. Its on agility that the agent's have the upper hand.Omega-13 wrote:are we watching different movies here? Terminators are stupidly slow in H2H, in T3, ,arnold basically just walked up to the T-X and threw her through a wall, its all just grab and toss sort of work. They'd never even lay a finger on an Agent. Those T-800's would find themselves turned into scrap metal, johnson punched through a steel door that was 2 inches thick. The T-X kicked the T-800's head off in T3, a single punch could do that from an upgraded Agent,Shroom Man 777 wrote:
When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.
Meh, that's because the T-800 didn't make the wall as weak as tissue paper.Omega-13 wrote:AH DAMN ! plot points of course of course,
LIke I said i'm not bashing your story i love it!
As for strength, remember the t-800 took 5 minutes to get through that quasi metal door in T1?
The turning a wall into the consistancy of tissue paper is just hyperboil started here on this msg board by the way.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Meh, that's because the T-800 didn't make the wall as weak as tissue paper.Omega-13 wrote:AH DAMN ! plot points of course of course,
LIke I said i'm not bashing your story i love it!
As for strength, remember the t-800 took 5 minutes to get through that quasi metal door in T1?
Now about the h2h.
You see Morpheus's punches and kicks aren't THAT fast, but he still got the Agent. A Termie grabs people like how the T-800 lightning grabbed the shotgun from that fat bar tender in T2. Fast, fast enough to grab Johnson.
Plus an Agent cannot turn a Terminator into scrap metal because if they can't turn Zionists into corned beef, then what good can they do to to a Termie?
But there have been some instances wherein it suggests that there is material manipulation. Like one of them bald kids who can bend the spoons and shit.Omega-13 wrote: The turning a wall into the consistancy of tissue paper is just hyperboil started here on this msg board by the way.
A T-800 wouldn't give jack shit about bullets, hence he wouldn't also be affected by any believe-in-it-and-you-get-turned-to-corned-beef punches.The zionists don't get a hole in them because they know its not real, and i guess its harder for them to wrap their minds around a punch than a bullet, there are always limits.
Yes, that's why the runner in Animatrix woke up and did all the matrix stuff, aquired super strength and speed, and the matrix wanted to stop him badly, yet failed, and had to be put back to sleep from the outside, and then they had to keep him under surveillance by agents.ggs wrote: It isnt how fast the user can process stuff, its how fast the system lets the user process stuff.
that scene had NOTHING to do with material munipulationShroom Man 777 wrote:
But there have been some instances wherein it suggests that there is material manipulation. Like one of them bald kids who can bend the spoons and shit.
A T-800 wouldn't give jack shit about bullets, hence he wouldn't also be affected by any believe-in-it-and-you-get-turned-to-corned-beef punches.The zionists don't get a hole in them because they know its not real, and i guess its harder for them to wrap their minds around a punch than a bullet, there are always limits.
very funnyIlluminatus Primus wrote:*holds up picture of T-1000*
Omega, calm down and just unzip. You'll be fine, I promise.
Sorry Stravo, I just had to toss the grenade.
It implies that you can bend it if you believe in it's bending, doesn't that mean that if you believe it to be, a metal rod can be bent like some plastic spoon?Omega-13 wrote: that scene had NOTHING to do with material munipulation
he specifically stated it is you who has to bend, you have to believe you can bend it!
back to the
(if you don't believe its real bit)
It's still a punch, if Smith's rock crushimg punches does shit to Neo, then what more a Terminator? A Termie sees it as a punch, nothing more. Maybe it even could analyze what gobledygook the Agent is doing, like matter manipulation or time dilation or whatnot, the Termie could tweak it as well.how the hell do you figure this
bullets don't hurt a terminator because he's made out of hyperalloy,
agents punch through steel doors, which means they can punch hard, so its agents fist meets hyperalloy.
yes it bent like a plastic spoon, whats the point it was still made out of metal.Shroom Man 777 wrote: It implies that you can bend it if you believe in it's bending, doesn't that mean that if you believe it to be, a metal rod can be bent like some plastic spoon?
I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies. The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?It's still a punch, if Smith's rock crushimg punches does shit to Neo, then what more a Terminator? A Termie sees it as a punch, nothing more. Maybe it even could analyze what gobledygook the Agent is doing, like matter manipulation or time dilation or whatnot, the Termie could tweak it as well.
the cpu could just read everything as real, depending on how it went into the matrix.Oh, and if the Agent can't make Morpheus's head blow up, why should a Terminator fare less? It knows that shit isn't real and won't have conflicts with what is real or whatnot.
the steel door in T1 was nothing like the door in Revolution, totally different animalPlus the Agent just made the steel door bend, and caused it to fly off its hinges, not punch through it, unlike what the Terminator in T1 did.
Yeah, they manipulated the metal spoon to be bended like a plastic spoon. Material manipulation.Omega-13 wrote: yes it bent like a plastic spoon, whats the point it was still made out of metal.
But wasn't it in Neo's prespective that he was slowing time down, dodging the bullets and crap, whilst to the others he's just a blur and a streak?
I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies.
The Terminator could also just shrug the Agent's punches as some code hullaballoo.The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?
It could also just shrug everything off as something happening in some virtual world which will do absolutely no harm to the body.the cpu could just read everything as real, depending on how it went into the matrix.
Hmm.... sure, fine.the steel door in T1 was nothing like the door in Revolution, totally different animal
He dented the door enough for it to cave, if that metal would have bent anymore he would have put a big hole in it.
I have to disagree concerning time dilation, there are certain instances where time slows down significantly and its not to show off a figting move, but more IMHO to show that either the physics engine is trying to catch up to whats happening in the Construct or is an inherent ability to those that can manipulate the Matrix.Omega-13 wrote:I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies. The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?
I agree. In "enter the matrix" there's a focus bar for you to use bullet time when you need it.Stravo wrote:
I have to disagree concerning time dilation, there are certain instances where time slows down significantly and its not to show off a figting move, but more IMHO to show that either the physics engine is trying to catch up to whats happening in the Construct or is an inherent ability to those that can manipulate the Matrix.
In the Highway chase scene there are several instances where time dilates for no apparent reason. (The tunnel leading to the freeway debris falls from the SUV and gunfire slows down for a moment. When an agent leaps from one car to the other time dilates.) Time dilation does happen in the Matrix, not just as a film maker's device to show off a cool move from Neo.
Animatrix: 'World Record' director's commentary.I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies.
