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Straha wrote:

admiral_danielsben wrote:The bombshell.....

I've decided to bequeath the Union to whichever Alliance member wants it. I find myself not too good at following events in this STGOD (why is everything in 1 giant thread? In ASVS, a different thread was used for each 'train of thought', making things easier to follow. Maybe that should be the case in STGOD5...). I find that this is especially problematic with an alliance-based power, with solid reaction times and such.

If you want me to actually 'kill' the Union myself, I 'll do it, but I'd prefer not to stab the Alliance in the back.

Not too far into the future, I'll make an OOB for my new power, which'll be very different. I may have said this before (probably have), but It'll be more like the Ousters than any other current power, except a bit less of a conquering species and more of a wandering species.

Might I just suggest we ret-conn the Union out of existence. This is the perfect example of where nothing was ever done (up to never having been put on the map) with them that affected other powers.

Good luck with your new power, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

GEtting attached to your power, to your alliance, to your game plan, are all legitimate- but if things start falling apart, it's by far better, more fun, and more painful for your enemies to keep the stiff upper lip and keep on fighting.

Rogue, can you post what force you have in the contested system?

Marcao wrote:I have no problem if the Union is given to an alliance nation and Straha, do you want the R`hlorrian and Jardanian fleet units to be retconned away too? I am willing to arrange that if you really want the Union to be retconned away too.

Idea: The Union could suddenly have a change in politics, and become isolationist. Some military forces, angry at the prospect of betraying the alliance, defect and join themselves to the UP and Nashtar fleets.

I have no problem if the Union is given to an alliance nation and Straha, do you want the R`hlorrian and Jardanian fleet units to be retconned away too? I am willing to arrange that if you really want the Union to be retconned away too.

Thirdfain wrote:

Idea: The Union could suddenly have a change in politics, and become isolationist. Some military forces, angry at the prospect of betraying the alliance, defect and join themselves to the UP and Nashtar fleets.

Perfect/ I approve.

I have no problem if the Union is given to an alliance nation and Straha, do you want the R`hlorrian and Jardanian fleet units to be retconned away too? I am willing to arrange that if you really want the Union to be retconned away too.

That's why we are proposing the same ddeal Jardan and Rhlorrans got- only partial fleets went to Monacora, and only a partial fleet should go to the Alliance. Let's say 40% of his weight?

Cloak Ship:

These are tiny tin cans of ships designed by the Monacorans for unseen suprise commerce raiding on enemy shipping lanes. They have been stripped of practically every luxury that you would usually find in a space ship, and are cramped, tiny, and very trying on their crews. The ships themselves have a tiny week hull, easily penetratable by practically any military grade weapon, the shield generators (if they have them, see below) are pathetically weak, and will stop at most one shot, they are also only activatable when the ship is not cloaked. The cloaking generators themselves are massive, and are such a massive power drain that the engines cannot supply the load alone, so they have to use batteries charged when the ship is ‘trawling’ for enemy contact, to be used. However, these batteries (when fully charged) allow for up to 48 hours of continious use of the cloak. The next biggest section of the ship is the sensors array. These sensors allow for a truly wide search radius, though this search radius only gives the ship a ‘hit’ as another ship being there, the cloak ship must then get closer to find out what kind of ship it is. The cloak ship itself has weak weapons, it’s one main cannon is powerful enough to wreck a freighter, shields or not, and little else. The only other weapons it carries are a single mine-layer that has a magazine of roughly fifty mines, and four anti-missile auto-cannons. The weapons are not usable when the ship is cloaked, but they all can be used right after the ship decloaks, however. The ship also has two faster than light drives, a warp drive that is capable of propelling the ship at speeds up to warp three, this is installed mainly to help a retreat if it should be spotted while attacking. And a hyperspace jump-point generator, this allows it to enter and leave hyper-space at its own will. These take up to three minutes to charge up before use, however, and are thus unusable immediately after a (failed) raid on a freighter. The slower than light engines are pitifully slow, but they allow the ship to put itself on an intercept course for a ship it has detected from light-hours off. The first five of these ships (CS 1-5) were refitted and heavily renovated corvettes and have small shield batteries, the first line of new cloak ships (CS 6- CS 8 ) were built without shields but had them replaced with sensor jammers that they could use when decloaked, the second line of cloak ships (CS 9-15) have both a weaker jammer and weaker shield battery. The latest and most complete line (CS 16- CS 30) each carry extra batteries instead of a shield or jammer, giving them two hours extra cloak time.

Thirdfain wrote:If anyone disagrees with my assessment...

OOh, and I'll have to talk about Krytos vessels as well.

Rogue 9 wrote:Well, torpedoes aren't unguided, just slower and shorter range. Also, my battleships pack a missile battery.

Straha, heading right into the center of my territory and blowing shit up with impunity? Every war that's come to my home territory thus far has involved cloaked ships attacking shipping. Such a move was the friggin' first combat action in the game.

Thirdfain wrote:OOh, and I'll have to talk about Krytos vessels as well.

Straha wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:Well, torpedoes aren't unguided, just slower and shorter range. Also, my battleships pack a missile battery.

Straha, heading right into the center of my territory and blowing shit up with impunity? Every war that's come to my home territory thus far has involved cloaked ships attacking shipping. Such a move was the friggin' first combat action in the game.

No, not with impunity. These ships are weak tin-cans, you start convoy my tactics will change. But as of now my ships are blowing up passing freighters, when they pass close enough by for them to get to and hit. (Read: Not many, but a few here or there) Also considering the make-up of your planets, I'd say the reason most people do this is because you leave yourself most vulnerable to it.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:(OOC: And no, they arent lower quality fighters or anti-capship missiles in this case, you simply attacked a planet, and have to deal with a shitload of them consequently due to the fact that this planet alone had a good 10 tthousand fighters for planetary defense, a reasonable number a the US has approximatly 1000 F18 Hornets alone)