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Yes, he banned me and he perverted every word I wrote.Stas Bush wrote:Mange, did Dark Goose ban you too?His behaviour was certainly disgusting; I must admit I lost a good deal of will to debate with any SW officials since that 3,000,000 debate.
What you say is true, but I can definately see them deleting/banning over this. I was banned from Traviss's LiveJournal for less. I believe all I did was say that the "Talifans" might not have been unjustified in insulting her, while presenting evidence in support of the "Talifan" position.Cpl Kendall wrote:Frankly I don't care who issued the numbers, Travis or LFL. They are still hard to swallow. But it's Mrs. Travis reaction to her crtics that has been the most hard to take, we have been called down and labelled as Talifans because we dare to disagree with her books and writing style. Now call me crazy but when one is offered constructive criticism one should take it and try and better one self, not lash out in anger and disgust and trumpet her "journo" credentials as if they absolve her of critiscism. I have never seen Dr. Saxton deride his critics and he has recieved far more scorn than Mrs. Travis has for her books.
I imagine she'll have her cronies descend on it. But it's worth the effort. Is Dark Moose the guy that she leads around on a lease?Jim Raynor wrote:
What you say is true, but I can definately see them deleting/banning over this. I was banned from Traviss's LiveJournal for less. I believe all I did was say that the "Talifans" might not have been unjustified in insulting her, while presenting evidence in support of the "Talifan" position.
Just what did she say about the Iraq war? Did she wank to the "relevance" of her work by saying that Palpatine deceived the Republic the way George W. Bush deceived America?Stas Bush wrote:Traviss is a lost case; leave her be. She's terminally insane, I remember her proud "Iraq war" ramblings and those alone were nuff to make me sick.
Yes, although he seems to voluntarily do a lot of his own asskissing.Cpl Kendall wrote:Is Dark Moose the guy that she leads around on a lease?
Lot of that going on in that blog too.Jim Raynor wrote:
Yes, although he seems to voluntarily do a lot of his own asskissing.
"Brush fire conflict" yadda yadda "Iraq war" yadda yadda "little numbers of experienced super-elite US supermen soldiers confronting easily millions of idiotic war-meat brown people". This is the essence of her train of thought; it was pretty much sealed in her LJ post. When I read _that_ type of explanation, I was sure nothing can be done. The person was mad.Just what did she say about the Iraq war?
I noticed your second comment, but you forgot that Traviss "retconned" the number of droids to be a few hundred millions.Cpl Kendall wrote:Lot of that going on in that blog too.Jim Raynor wrote:
Yes, although he seems to voluntarily do a lot of his own asskissing.
There's been so much bullshit flying around surounding this issue that it's been hard to keep straight. I'll be sure to address it if it comes up. Didn't the guide to droids (forget the real title) state a number in the quintillions again. I think Ender posted on it.Mange wrote: I noticed your second comment, but you forgot that Traviss "retconned" the number of droids to be a few hundred millions.
A few hundred millions... overwhelming the Republic?Traviss "retconned" the number of droids to be a few hundred millions
I thought ODDS was in fact refuting her own bullshit, showing the lunacies of a deranged clone soldier who thought it was that little but in fact it was big.
Seriously though, hundreds of millions of droids? Grievous doesn't know what forces he has? Pathetic. All are co-conspiring with fucking Plapatine, is that her good solution?What's the over/under on how long it takes for Dork Moose to delete it? Any takers?The number of clones in the Grand Army of the Republic (and the number of armies in the service of the Republic/ Empire) is actually a MacGuffin in this dispute. What's really at issue is the way some people react to criticism. For the record, I don't care for any of the EU and consider 99% of it on the same level as the infamous Holiday Special and the Giant Bunny Bounty Hunter from the Marvel Comics.
Anyone who creates art of any kind, whether the written word , music, sculpture or whatever, is going to face criticism -some of it extremely harsh. They can expect to be ridiculed in the cruelest manner. Those are the breaks. If someone trashes your work, the best recourse is to ignore them or kill them with kindness. Sometimes a response is in order to set the record straight. What Grand Admiral Sean8 and Karen Traviss have done is not only not helpful, but counterproductive as well.
If the critics are just trolls and bullies, then reacting to them this way only encourages them. If their criticisms are valid or are simply grounds for dispute, then reacting this way reflects badly on the one being criticized, not the critic. A thin skin is a liability in the arts. After all, there's no shortage of harsh criticism and ridicule aimed at George Lucas. Why anyone else is entitled to kid gloves -when the creator of the whole milieu isn't- is a question I leave for others to answer.
I'll also leave for Grand Admiral Sean8 to explain why he would make demonstrably false claims about a video that anyone who logs on to YouTube can see for himself or herself. There is no threatened execution in that clip.
If people are going to have any kind of discussion, then a certain level of honesty is required. After all, Christians (as well as members of other faiths) are told not to bear false witness.
Color me surprised.Cpl Kendall wrote:And it's been taken down.
Because the people who own SW.com don't give a shit and the mod is an asshole.Vehrec wrote:[rant]What really ticks me off about this whole thing, really gets my dander up as my grandmother would say, is the whole VIP concept. From the first moment I saw those three little letters, a red haze began to creep into the edges of my vision. I have come to associate those letters with preferential treatment, something that I do not like to see at all. Why should an author be held do different standards than a run of the mill poster? Why should a Mod be held to different standards than those he moderates?
Also, the presence of supplicating masses draws the VIPs like Kong to bound women, which then feeds the board owners' ego by having prominent members of the writing community coming on to add prestige to their board. I assume they make some kind of money from ads or something in the process. If you encourage dissent, VIPs don't feel like showing up (at least Traviss doesn't), and then the whole system falls apart.Darth Servo wrote:Because the people who own SW.com don't give a shit and the mod is an asshole.Vehrec wrote:[rant]What really ticks me off about this whole thing, really gets my dander up as my grandmother would say, is the whole VIP concept. From the first moment I saw those three little letters, a red haze began to creep into the edges of my vision. I have come to associate those letters with preferential treatment, something that I do not like to see at all. Why should an author be held do different standards than a run of the mill poster? Why should a Mod be held to different standards than those he moderates?