Mortal Kombat vs Jedi/Sith

[Next of Kin]

IMO the fighting abilities of a Jedi Knight would be far beyond a character from Mortal Kombat. Even without the light sabre, the jedi could use a mind trick to start a combination of leathal punches, locks, or kicks. Okay, let's pit Johnny Cage against Yoda. No contest!

[Darth_Shinji]

What part of "Force choke" are you too dense to grasp?

Vader force chokes... He gets turn to ice from the beam Sub fired in those few secounds it take to work and vader doesn't appear to be able to manuever greatly. And vader unfreezes to a big ass ice blade jabed though his stomach.

Yeah, sure. Vader has no way of evading or blocking one of SubZero's little magic ice-balls, right? Don't be an idiot. Do the words "telekinesis" and "precognition" mean anything to you? And the force choke need not take that long; he drags it out for fun. He can rip heavy equipment out of the wall despite being bolted on; this requires multi-ton forces. He could snap any normal person's neck instantly if he wanted to. And this may come as a shock to you, but when your air and blood supply to the brain is cut off, you may live for a while but you will lose your ability to function almost immediately.

He never exhibted that ability in the movies. And for all thier tk against inanimate objects We never see them tk an living being of a mans size. Not even when it would be helpful in the EU. And how TK is surpose to stop a energy blast.

As for Scorpion, a broken neck will work on him just as easily as it works on anyone else.

Telportation.

I say again: a normal human was able to defeat these clowns using kung-fu. The use of telekinesis would only make it laughably easy, despite your bizarre fan-wanking. I like MK, but there's no reason to be a jack-ass and pretend that these guys can handle a guy who can rip industrial equipment out of its moorings with but a thought.

I wouldn't call him a normal human he has specal attacks like the rest of them. And he is dead. A guy with his neck snapped and soul eaten is not a good example.

[Darth_Shinji]

Oh, and please stop with the degortory remarks. I can see why in the fett/pred thing, we all were getting under the collar there. But is it really neccaly here? And even if my estimations of the Jedi and MK characters wrong and your right there is no need to start calling it fan wanking and I'm dense. Lets keep this civil please.

[Next of Kin]

He never exhibted that ability in the movies.

He never exhibited the ability to move out of the way!? Do we have to see this in order to think that Vader could move out of the way of an oncoming freeze blast?

[Balrog]

It did look like his equipment would get in the way of doing backflips and such....


*quickly runs away*

[Admiral Griffith]

Oh, and please stop with the degortory remarks. I can see why in the fett/pred thing, we all were getting under the collar there. But is it really neccaly here? And even if my estimations of the Jedi and MK characters wrong and your right there is no need to start calling it fan wanking and I'm dense. Lets keep this civil please.

Who gave you the authority to make such remarks? What if we don't keep it civil, eh? What are you gonna do to us? Nothing, because you don't have the ability to do anything in this forum. So just forget about trying to get us to be all prissy and nice while you vomit forth stupidity.

[Dillon]

He never exhibted that ability in the movies. And for all thier tk against inanimate objects We never see them tk an living being of a mans size. Not even when it would be helpful in the EU. And how TK is surpose to stop a energy blast.

Did you watch the fucking movies? In TESB on cloud city while fighting Luke, Vader rips pieces of metal equipment out of the walls and smashes them into Luke I'm sure those weighed at least 100 - 200 LBs more than the mass of any average human, and he did it effortlessly. And why do you assume Sub-Zero's ice blast is an energy blast? Wouldn't it be more likely that he just freezes the air around him into a ball, and launches it at his opponenet? In that case it would be very easy to dodge. Even if it is energy, look at how slow it moved, Vader is precognitive, so he can easily dodge it.

As for your claim on Scorpion's teleportation, again, Vader is precogntive, so he turns in the direction of wherever Scorpion teleports, and quickly snaps Scorpion's neck before he has a chance to react. Scorpion can obviously be killed by normal means. Look at the movie, Jonny Cage killed him with a spear and shield with jagged edges.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Oh, I forgot when he chokes the guy and is talking to another person. Still shouldn't be too diffucult for Sub to fire a freeze blast to stop him from choking to death. Those blasts are quik to get off and vader wouldn't be expecting it. Even with prescience it would be hard for him to move with all that equipment.

It's simply really. The MK characters simply would not have any time, Vader could kill them instantly.

Vader was toying with those that he force choked in ESB, he was letting them know that they were going to die. If he weren't interested in that they would be dead before their brain even registered pain.

[Frank_Scenario]

Kenshi (from MK:DA) is also telekinetic and capable of fighting blind (either through precognition or some sort of Daredevil-esque radar sense). He might be a better match for a Jedi - whoever telekinetically chokes first, wins.

[Darth_Shinji]

Oh, and please stop with the degortory remarks. I can see why in the fett/pred thing, we all were getting under the collar there. But is it really neccaly here? And even if my estimations of the Jedi and MK characters wrong and your right there is no need to start calling it fan wanking and I'm dense. Lets keep this civil please.

Who gave you the authority to make such remarks? What if we don't keep it civil, eh? What are you gonna do to us? Nothing, because you don't have the ability to do anything in this forum. So just forget about trying to get us to be all prissy and nice while you vomit forth stupidity.

Is it me formiting foth stupididty or you whining and cussing instead of putting foth effort to thes debates? And where in the hell did you get that I trying to use some sort of authority? I mearly asked him to be civil. Operating term: Asked, and is asking this so bad? Oh instread of asking a intelegent request I'm bossing you guys around??? What logic is that?

[Darth_Shinji]

He never exhibted that ability in the movies. And for all thier tk against inanimate objects We never see them tk an living being of a mans size. Not even when it would be helpful in the EU. And how TK is surpose to stop a energy blast.

Did you watch the fucking movies? In TESB on cloud city while fighting Luke, Vader rips pieces of metal equipment out of the walls and smashes them into Luke I'm sure those weighed at least 100 - 200 LBs more than the mass of any average human, and he did it effortlessly. And why do you assume Sub-Zero's ice blast is an energy blast? Wouldn't it be more likely that he just freezes the air around him into a ball, and launches it at his opponenet? In that case it would be very easy to dodge. Even if it is energy, look at how slow it moved, Vader is precognitive, so he can easily dodge it.

A) Those things didn't appear to be that heavy but I'll conceed that point, and you just stated they might not of been multi-ton. Also we have seen subzeros blasts in the movie. and they are definatly energy. And in deadly allaince he freezes people without the ball. Making an arua that freezes.


And why is tk not used as much as it should be against living things if it works like this? Obi-wan could of easly immbolized Jango or the other Jedi push Jango out of the way. How about in the EU? I don't think even vader does anything with the speed and quickness you claim. Though I could be wrong. But I don't remember any Jedi or Sith doind that.

As for your claim on Scorpion's teleportation, again, Vader is precogntive, so he turns in the direction of wherever Scorpion teleports, and quickly snaps Scorpion's neck before he has a chance to react. Scorpion can obviously be killed by normal means. Look at the movie, Jonny Cage killed him with a spear and shield with jagged edges.

Precog works like a secound into the future. He might be able to be moving towards scorp but I doubt he can do anything before he ports again. And according to the game all a spear wouldn't stop Scorpy or anyone in MK for that matter.

[Darth_Shinji]

Also accordng to the rpg which other poeple here have used for the Jedi/sith before, it states that a target can resist the effects of injure/kill, and by resisting they limit the amount of damage done to them. So blanty neck snape is a maybe.

[Darth Wong]

Is it me formiting foth stupididty or you whining and cussing instead of putting foth effort to thes debates?

It's you vomiting forth stupidity, such as your asinine claim that Vader never demonstrated the abilities described in TESB in the movies.

And where in the hell did you get that I trying to use some sort of authority? I mearly asked him to be civil.

Request denied. When you state speculation as fact (obviously being so fucking unfamiliar with the movies that you don't recall Vader ripping equipment out of the wall with TK in TESB, yet still arrogant enough to state it as a FACT), you bring this upon yourself. If you stated that you weren't sure, fine. But when you state unequivocally that he DIDN'T DO IT, then you are either lying, or ignorant. If lying, you deserve all your abuse. If you're ignorant, you shouldn't be so arrogant as to state your claims as fact since you obviously aren't familiar enough with the movies to do so. Either way, you deserve the abuse.

[Darth Wong]

Also accordng to the rpg which other poeple here have used for the Jedi/sith before, it states that a target can resist the effects of injure/kill, and by resisting they limit the amount of damage done to them. So blanty neck snape is a maybe.

It states that ANOTHER FORCE-SENSITIVE can do so. A regular person is dead. You ask why we are not civil to you; does it occur to you that your habit of taking things blatantly out of context and misrepresenting the facts might have something to do with it? What's really more rude? Using "bad" words or lying through your teeth?

[SirNitram]

Also accordng to the rpg which other poeple here have used for the Jedi/sith before, it states that a target can resist the effects of injure/kill, and by resisting they limit the amount of damage done to them. So blanty neck snape is a maybe.

Of course, actually analyzing the power levels of most Jedi vs. a normal human shows us that even the most exceptional non-Force-User would be fucking lucky to survive with a mortal wounding.

[SirNitram]

Also accordng to the rpg which other poeple here have used for the Jedi/sith before, it states that a target can resist the effects of injure/kill, and by resisting they limit the amount of damage done to them. So blanty neck snape is a maybe.

It states that ANOTHER FORCE-SENSITIVE can do so. A regular person is dead. You ask why we are not civil to you; does it occur to you that your habit of taking things blatantly out of context and misrepresenting the facts might have something to do with it? What's really more rude? Using "bad" words or lying through your teeth?

Technically, a normal person can, but unless the Jedi is a very minor Padawan(The Younglings, the YJKs), they will be mortally wounded or killed without the intervention of the Dice Gods(tm). I can explain in more depth, but I suspect that's all that's needed.

[Darth Wong]

Technically, a normal person can, but unless the Jedi is a very minor Padawan(The Younglings, the YJKs), they will be mortally wounded or killed without the intervention of the Dice Gods(tm). I can explain in more depth, but I suspect that's all that's needed.

A normal human can resist only in the sense that his neck muscles might be stronger than the next guy's neck muscles. It's not as if he can apply TK of his own to block it, which is a power limited only to other Force users, and as you say, it would only help in the case of a pathetically feeble Force user.

In the case of a Sith Lord who can rip heavy equipment out of the walls and snap bolt heads off with ease and without even turning to look at them, that won't mean anything.

[SirNitram]

Technically, a normal person can, but unless the Jedi is a very minor Padawan(The Younglings, the YJKs), they will be mortally wounded or killed without the intervention of the Dice Gods(tm). I can explain in more depth, but I suspect that's all that's needed.

A normal human can resist only in the sense that his neck muscles might be stronger than the next guy's neck muscles. It's not as if he can apply TK of his own to block it, which is a power limited only to other Force users, and as you say, it would only help in the case of a pathetically feeble Force user.

In the case of a Sith Lord who can rip heavy equipment out of the walls and snap bolt heads off with ease and without even turning to look at them, that won't mean anything.

To put it mathematically, it's 70 vs. 15... Those being the average rolls of a Sith Lord and a defending human.

[Darth Wong]

To put it mathematically, it's 70 vs. 15... Those being the average rolls of a Sith Lord and a defending human.

Gameplay rules aren't used for the official continuity. If they were, we'd be playing computer games to determine the performance characteristics of TIE fighters.

[SirNitram]

To put it mathematically, it's 70 vs. 15... Those being the average rolls of a Sith Lord and a defending human.

Gameplay rules aren't used for the official continuity. If they were, we'd be playing computer games to determine the performance characteristics of TIE fighters.

I still feel there can be some information taken from stats, but I was mostly mocking his use of WEG's rules for resisting.

[Ghost Rider]

So is he going to add anything or is he going on the thought that because Vader supposedly doesn't move fast(yeah him blocking Han's blast shots were what any of us can do ) or can't rip a person's head off(he moves a variety of 50-100 pound objects near the end of the battering of Luke)

What MK going to do Freeze?

...let's see if a regular human can block this with their bare fist with no damage...or how the movie showed...step to the left...Yeah Vader is real trouble.

Sorry so far since Raiden and Gods are reduced to Humans...and Shang Tsung NEEDS the Soul, unless someone wants to use gameplay as a real stat....Vader or any decent Jedi/Sith is shredding most MK.

[Darth_Shinji]

Also accordng to the rpg which other poeple here have used for the Jedi/sith before, it states that a target can resist the effects of injure/kill, and by resisting they limit the amount of damage done to them. So blanty neck snape is a maybe.

It states that ANOTHER FORCE-SENSITIVE can do so. A regular person is dead. You ask why we are not civil to you; does it occur to you that your habit of taking things blatantly out of context and misrepresenting the facts might have something to do with it? What's really more rude? Using "bad" words or lying through your teeth?

As pointed out other people can resist the kill. In this book its says they have one roll against the targets perception... But enough of that. Even if its slim its still accurate. And so you see why would shouldn't flame? So we don't look like totaly idoits when we misinterpet the facts as you have just done? So I was wrong that a person has a good chance or resisting though that rule... Its still offical and I didn't misinterpt the fact that they had a chance abet a slim one even though there not force users as you did.

Just give it a chance... Debating could be more fun this way.


Oh and MK characters can tag team DV. They do it it the cannon story line.

[Ghost Rider]

It's about on the same levels...according to Nitram of 4.7% chance of suceeding against.

Yeah real odds there.

And who cares if they Tag team...so Vader will kill two fools at once then one?

[Darth Wong]

Even if its slim its still accurate.

No, it isn't. Gameplay rules are not considered part of the continuity. They are designed for playability, not accuracy.

And so you see why would shouldn't flame? So we don't look like totaly idoits when we misinterpet the facts as you have just done?

No, fuckwad, it's so you can't get away with bullshitting, as you have just done.

So I was wrong that a person has a good chance or resisting though that rule... Its still offical and I didn't misinterpt the fact that they had a chance abet a slim one even though there not force users as you did.

Don't be a dumb-fuck; you are taking gameplay rules and interpreting them as if they are part of the official continuity.

Just give it a chance... Debating could be more fun this way.

More fun if you get to make up whatever bullshit you want, and state lies such as "gameplay rules are official tech continuity" with impunity?

If we use gameplay rules, then MK characters are even weaker. I've played the damned game, and MK character super-attacks are worthless unless your enemy is half-dead and can't dodge.

Oh and MK characters can tag team DV. They do it it the cannon story line.

Two or one, it makes no difference. Vader can kill them with a thought.

[Darth_Shinji]

Even if its slim its still accurate.

No, it isn't. Gameplay rules are not considered part of the continuity. They are designed for playability, not accuracy.

Its offical till disproven by the movies. And isn't already shown that mind control can be resisted? Why not tk?

And so you see why would shouldn't flame? So we don't look like totaly idoits when we misinterpet the facts as you have just done?

No, fuckwad, it's so you can't get away with bullshitting, as you have just done.[/quote] And flaming somehow stops me from bullshitting? A simple no or your wrong and evoidence to the contray doesn't? Facinating.

So I was wrong that a person has a good chance or resisting though that rule... Its still offical and I didn't misinterpt the fact that they had a chance abet a slim one even though there not force users as you did.

Don't be a dumb-fuck; you are taking gameplay rules and interpreting them as if they are part of the official continuity.[/quote] There posted in offical martail and people use them to demonstrate force powers on your side before. I suggest you post the fact that these powers are inadmissable then to everyone.

Just give it a chance... Debating could be more fun this way.

More fun if you get to make up whatever bullshit you want, and state lies such as "gameplay rules are official tech continuity" with impunity?[/quote] So your flaming is supossed to do this? lol! I think it has more to do for your own sake then mine.

If we use gameplay rules, then MK characters are even weaker. I've played the damned game, and MK character super-attacks are worthless unless your enemy is half-dead and can't dodge.

No If you block it it doesn't do damage... So DV still has to block or be frozen. And you are telling me that there isn't anything weird going on with those blocks? Like blocking sonic attacks? Its definatly chi or something.

Oh and MK characters can tag team DV. They do it it the cannon story line.

Two or one, it makes no difference. Vader can kill them with a thought.[/quote] Can you provide one scene.. evn if its in the EU when a sith or darksider snapes two guys necks at the same time without the long agony scene?