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General Schatten wrote:It's already been concluded that all TIE's have some form of navigational shielding or some rediculously strong armour for an interceptor, otherwise, they couldn't have entered the asteroid field without fear of micrometeor impacts, either way that would make them invulnerable to most modern day conventional guns and missiles, which is why nBSG Vs Star Wars would have the Empire raping the Colonials.

Well, Vader didn't care, remember? "Asteroids do not concern me, admiral"

However, some TIE's are equipped with a combat shield, such as at least one of the TIE's that attacked the MF in ANH.

Yeah, the thing I was asking is: do TIE bombers carry combst shielding.

1. Using a Game manuel is pretty much Apocrypha. It does not even begin to count, unless there is evidence from a higher source to defend it.

2. Vader's comment was about the ISDs, and not caring about the pounding given that who was talking to him. Somehow Piett is not giving a rat's ass about the TIE squadrons either.

3. Shields are likely on ALL starcraft given the evidence seen for the regular TIEs. The brainbug of TIEs having no shielding comes literally from games, and then grew from there.

Besides, the ones troubling the TIEs in the asteroid field weren't exactly micrometeors...

Ghost Rider wrote:1. Using a Game manuel is pretty much Apocrypha. It does not even begin to count, unless there is evidence from a higher source to defend it.

I mentioned Rogue Squadrons II and III, the actual games, not just the manuals, especially III where if you shoot a TIE bomber a white flash happens where the laser hits the shield, and how it can take 8+ hits to take it down.

2. Vader's comment was about the ISDs, and not caring about the pounding given that who was talking to him. Somehow Piett is not giving a rat's ass about the TIE squadrons either.

Okay.

3. Shields are likely on ALL starcraft given the evidence seen for the regular TIEs. The brainbug of TIEs having no shielding comes literally from games, and then grew from there.

Okay. I meant Combat shielding, as in able to take more than 1 hit (like the TIE bombers)

Warsie wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:1. Using a Game manuel is pretty much Apocrypha. It does not even begin to count, unless there is evidence from a higher source to defend it.

I mentioned Rogue Squadrons II and III, the actual games, not just the manuals, especially III where if you shoot a TIE bomber a white flash happens where the laser hits the shield, and how it can take 8+ hits to take it down.

IOW it's game mechanics which have even less canonicity than the manuals, which may at least have some worthwhile fluff (not that they're all that high on the canon totem pole, either).
Game mechanics are overridden by-well, practically everything.

Warsie wrote:Okay. I meant Combat shielding, as in able to take more than 1 hit (like the TIE bombers)

I didn't say those had combat shielding, now did I dumbass? Your bog standard TIE Fighter has 4,100 G Acceleration, deflecting rocks at those speeds would require significantly more than a futuristic autocannon to bother, which is what the KEW the Viper's are said to use are described as, that's what I was talking about. Even a TIE's navigational shielding would be able to survive most modern day munitions barring only nuclear missiles which they would out accelerate.

General Schatten wrote:

Warsie wrote:Okay. I meant Combat shielding, as in able to take more than 1 hit (like the TIE bombers)

I didn't say those had combat shielding, now did I dumbass?

Easy, hotshot. That was in response to GR's statement that ALL Wars craft had shielding of some sort and based on the twin assumptions that
a) the ability to take more than one hit means combat shields and
b) game mechanics have any relevance whatsoever.
I severely doubt Warsie thought beyond the implications for the computer games, leave alone about what nav deflectors would mean WRT a Wars/nBSG fighter engagement.

I'm feeling Deja Vu.
BTW Batman was this the thread you were referencing on the sheild thread.

Warsie wrote:Everyone, Do you think that the Empire does waste its' starfighters for no reason, or do Imperial Commanders use TIEs effectively and dangerously?

On topic: We have canonatical evidence that the fighters work well with high ECM enviroments.

Karmic Knight wrote:I'm feeling Deja Vu.
BTW Batman was this the thread you were referencing on the sheild thread.

As I currently have no clue which reference you're talking about I can't really say.

Batman wrote: IOW it's game mechanics which have even less canonicity than the manuals, which may at least have some worthwhile fluff (not that they're all that high on the canon totem pole, either).
Game mechanics are overridden by-well, practically everything.

Okay, but there aren't necessarily any higher sources counteracting the games on TIE bomber shielding, are they?

EDIT: Yeah, IIRC the X-wing novels go against that.

General Schatten wrote:I didn't say those had combat shielding, now did I dumbass?

You Cretinous Jerk, I asked whether TIE Bombers normally had combat shielding.

Your bog standard TIE Fighter has 4,100 G Acceleration, deflecting rocks at those speeds would require significantly more than a futuristic autocannon to bother, which is what the KEW the Viper's are said to use are described as, that's what I was talking about. Even a TIE's navigational shielding would be able to survive most modern day munitions barring only nuclear missiles which they would out accelerate.

All I asked is whether TIE bombers had combat shielding, not anything else. Thank you though.

On topic: We have canonatical evidence that the fighters work well with high ECM enviroments

Electronic Countermeasures? Can you tell me an example?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_countermeasures

Pretty sure I remember a TIE/sa TIE Bomber going through the field as well, pretty sure they were trying to smoke out the Falcon, so regardless, my statements still stand.

General Schatten wrote:Pretty sure I remember a TIE/sa TIE Bomber going through the field as well, pretty sure they were trying to smoke out the Falcon, so regardless, my statements still stand.

Yeah, I remember the bombardment where they are flushing the falcon out with proton bombs.

But yeah, it does depend on the squadron and duty as well, I just remembered how big the Empire is and how different squadrons are arranged.

And You still think I'm a 'dumbass'

Warsie wrote:And You still think I'm a 'dumbass'

Of course, you ignored two instances of bog standard TIE's having shields.

I really wouldn't be surprised if the Empire used sex appeal in its recruiting ads. Real militaries have done it, after all.

Not the US Army, Noooooooooo... We've got, 'There's strong (What your T-Shirt smells like after a six hour workout) and then there's Army Strong (T-Shirt after a week long trek through the mountains with no showers and no change of clothes).'

General Schatten wrote:Of course, you ignored two instances of bog standard TIE's having shields.

Um, I did admit that TIEs at least had nav shields, I as simply asking if TIE Bombers had combat shields.