What would an Empire mobilized for total war look like?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-10-08 07:29pm

fusion wrote:Remember the separatist's had quadrillions of droids...
So the empire would have droids in the quintrillions or
1,000,000,000,000,000,000 droids....

Also there was a rumor that there was supposed to be one Death Star for every sector... or about a trillion star destroyers...

I don't think that was a rumour. It was written somewhere that a Death Star's purpose, aside from blowing planets up, was to serve as sector command. Probably at the hand of the Grand Moffs and of course, supervised by some viceroy of the Emperor to keep the Grand Moffs in line.

That aside, the Empire can mobilse a fairly formidable industrial war machine.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-10-08 08:23pm

Good grief... How many sectors are there?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-10-08 08:35pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:Good grief... How many sectors are there?

I'm not sure all the sectors. Could be the oversectors rather.

Anyone has the relevant RPG source books?

But, I do remember hearing that there was meant to be a series of Death Stars to be built. The Empire has more than enough resources to build them.

Teleros · Post by **Teleros** » 2007-10-08 08:37pm

Well it'd make sense - in the event of say uprisings in several sectors it'd be a lot easier if the local Death Star could handle it, rather than have just one DS zipping all over the galaxy 24/7.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-10-08 09:36pm

Teleros wrote:Well it'd make sense - in the event of say uprisings in several sectors it'd be a lot easier if the local Death Star could handle it, rather than have just one DS zipping all over the galaxy 24/7.

It would make sense, yes. Its just... so many of them.

Of course, I'm not in denial or anything, more shock than anything else...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2007-10-08 10:15pm

Sure manual droid labor is more efficient than slave labor, but unles si'm mistaken Wookie and possibly Geonosians were put into forced labor not to provide manual labor entirely but also for technical expertise and mechanical aptitude.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-10-09 12:12am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Sure manual droid labor is more efficient than slave labor, but unles si'm mistaken Wookie and possibly Geonosians were put into forced labor not to provide manual labor entirely but also for technical expertise and mechanical aptitude.

How do you force an entire race to do technical work? Wouldn't it be rather easy for them to screw things up on you while you weren't looking?

And even while you were, wouldn't you be consuming the same resources to make sure they're doing it right that you would just doing it right the first time?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-10-09 12:26am

Ryan Thunder wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Sure manual droid labor is more efficient than slave labor, but unles si'm mistaken Wookie and possibly Geonosians were put into forced labor not to provide manual labor entirely but also for technical expertise and mechanical aptitude.
How do you force an entire race to do technical work? Wouldn't it be rather easy for them to screw things up on you while you weren't looking?

And even while you were, wouldn't you be consuming the same resources to make sure they're doing it right that you would just doing it right the first time?

Not if you threaten to blast their homeworld with BDZ. Safe to say, there was the occasional sabotage, but all you need is Lord Vader to "motivate them".

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2007-10-09 12:47am

Does anyone know the ship counts for a sector fleet?

Using that, you could devrive a ship type ratio, and make some rough estimates on maximum sustainable Imperial fleet sizes based on crew requirements and population of the galaxy.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2007-10-09 12:57am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:Good grief... How many sectors are there?
I'm not sure all the sectors. Could be the oversectors rather.

Anyone has the relevant RPG source books?

But, I do remember hearing that there was meant to be a series of Death Stars to be built. The Empire has more than enough resources to build them.

I can't remember the source, but I remember reading somewhere that Executors were supposed to be Sector Command Ships and Death Stars were supposed to be Regional Command Ships. That would mean thousands of Executors and at least 6 Death Stars.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-10-09 01:02am

NRS Guardian wrote: I can't remember the source, but I remember reading somewhere that Executors were supposed to be Sector Command Ships and Death Stars were supposed to be Regional Command Ships. That would mean thousands of Executors and at least 6 Death Stars.

That's about right. The Executors were supposed to be the Sector Command ships and they were stepping up production of these warships after they were introduced.

The Death Stars are likely for the Oversectors which are usually governed by Grand Moffs.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-10-09 06:17am

Like Tarkin.

Solauren wrote:Does anyone know the ship counts for a sector fleet?

Using that, you could devrive a ship type ratio, and make some rough estimates on maximum sustainable Imperial fleet sizes based on crew requirements and population of the galaxy.

Somewhere on Wookiepedia (I'm currently unable to find exactly where) I read that a typical Imperial sector fleet counts 24 ISDs plus an huge number of littler support ships and, sometimes, an handful of bigger ships. This count probably doesn't include the planetary defence forces and some 'special' fleets like the expeditionary force of Thrawn and the Death Squadron.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-10-09 06:45am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:Good grief... How many sectors are there?
I'm not sure all the sectors. Could be the oversectors rather.

Anyone has the relevant RPG source books?

But, I do remember hearing that there was meant to be a series of Death Stars to be built. The Empire has more than enough resources to build them.

It's from Cracken's Threat Dossier in the "Black Fleet Crisis" section. SSDs were "Sector" level, not Death Stars. The Death Star's were "regional" commands (IE outer rim, Core, ,etc.)

The idea that the Death Star's might have been assigned to terrorize/police specific sections of space is supported by Tarkin's commentary in the ANH novelization, as I remember (something like the DS being the ultimate power in the part of the galaxy they were in, or some such.) The SSD = Sector level commands makes sense given Han's "there are alot of command ships" line.

Amusingly, if we followed the sector-SSD/Region-Death Star logic backwards, ,that would imply that (as suggesed by other sources) a single Star Destroyer was a "command" at the system level or thereabouts. Which would in turn imply hundreds of thousands if not millions of ISDs in the Imperial Navy.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2007-10-09 07:03am

Somewhere on Wookiepedia (I'm currently unable to find exactly where)

This one?

The books Cracken's Threat Dossier and Dark Empire Sourcebook mention SSDs as sector-level command bases, with the DESB specifying that average Moffs and sector commanders had access to SSDs and/or torpedo spheres. With some of the spheres explicitly bigger than most SSDs, according to The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels.

With the Death Star I, the Tarkin battlestation, the Death Star II, the two "habitation spheres" being built around Coruscant, and the "Death Star III" (noted as such by Leland Chee on the OS) in construction somewhere near Endor, the Empire was fully capable of meeting its intended goal of a fleet of regional-level command bases.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-10-09 10:39am

VT-16 wrote:
Somewhere on Wookiepedia (I'm currently unable to find exactly where)
This one?

This, thanks!