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Ender wrote:Jesus Christ people it is a SA article, it is in the same league as The Onion, not a literary review. Pull the stick out of your ass and see if that helps.
No stick. Same result. The article was not funny or entertaining. Since you equated it to the Opnion that is ecactly what it should be. It should be fun, amusing, sarcastic, all of those things.

I found it boring, tedious, and no matter how hard I tried I couldnt keep from skimming it out of desperation to find something that would actually make me laugh or crack a smile.
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Well I liked it, and I thought the comment on Andromeda was especially well deserved; "If you loved Farscape but hated the muppets, the characters and the story, this is worth buying on DVD"

I don't get the third one, though.
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speaker-to-trolls wrote:I don't get the third one, though.
Asimov died, and that was a worst moment in Sci-Fi. Simple as that!

I found most of them funny but a few I didn't get! Like, the Three Laws, I didn't think that was funny--it seemed off. While I think I kinda know what they're talking about, in the sense that robots aren't bound by the three laws and it was a quaint idea at the time to think so, I don't think that's what the assertion was at all. Ah well, it's just some SA guy. Any of us could do the same thing.
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You can't have it both ways. Either the article has to be funny/absurd, or it has to take itself seriously and be solidly written. This made an attempt at both and largely failed. Sorry.

(Now, Crusade or LotR or Lost Tales might be a solid "worst moment," but I can't be sure because I'm too afraid to watch them. :lol: )
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Number Nine is so utterly stupid it makes me want to purge humanity, it takes very little searching on Wookiepedia to stumble onto the Iron Knights article, about sentient force-sensitive silicon-based crystals who are plugged into droid bodies, it takes the most basic knowledge in biology to know that CRYSTALS DON'T FUCKING HAVE BLOOD OR DNA!
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I think the thing about Asimov was people were basically spending too much time discussing a flawed concept that Asimov himself found loopholes in and was also being overtaken in real-time with robots that were meant to break the rules from the start. Perhaps the article's author thinks he should have spent more time writing about other concepts instead of an optimistic pipedream?
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Thanas wrote:Btw - why isn't this in pure sci-fi?
I originally intended it to be just around #17.
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Ah Hobbes. The saddest part is that the series for me raised a particular high point. I actually hated Hobbes for that bit. Sure, I never wanted him to become a traitor, but the mission to chase him down and the dialogue between you and Hobbes was the best that game series ever did.
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General Schatten wrote:Number Nine is so utterly stupid it makes me want to purge humanity, it takes very little searching on Wookiepedia to stumble onto the Iron Knights article, about sentient force-sensitive silicon-based crystals who are plugged into droid bodies, it takes the most basic knowledge in biology to know that CRYSTALS DON'T FUCKING HAVE BLOOD OR DNA!
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That was amusing. Thank you, Shep.
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Anguirus wrote:You can't have it both ways. Either the article has to be funny/absurd, or it has to take itself seriously and be solidly written. This made an attempt at both and largely failed. Sorry.
This is really a very common attack that people make on satirical or insulting comedy, and I've never found it the least bit useful as criticism. In fact I would call your response here self-important wankery. There's only one self-important wanker here, and he's me. Honestly, acting as if you alone decide whether or not an article "failed", and declaring that something can't be half-serious, half-funny. What fucking school did you learn that line of bullshit at?

'Cause I learned my funny on the street, son.

Then you're supposed to say,
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Anyway, this is exactly what happened when Colbert did the Press Correspondents' Dinner, all the jerkoff newsboys derided him for being unfunny, as if jiveass "reporters" like them were worth two shits. Humor's advantage is that when you offend people they still can't get in your face, because that makes them the asshole--you were just telling a joke. Humor's disadvantage is that it opens up an easy, zero-effort avenue of attack, which is to loudly proclaim that the joke wasn't even really funny; humor being highly subjective, this is an unfalsifiable argument and one can walk away, face saved.

I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that one of the items on the list offended you in some way, thus rendering you deaf to the humor. Going by your previous post, I'm guessing it was the Asimov entry.

So I'm going to give you written confirmation of how funny this SA.com front page article actually was, because you don't know what you're talking about and I do (if you want to dispute this, look below).

I say it nets a 4/10. For reference-minded types, the first time I saw the Charlie Murphy True Hollywood Stories sketch on Chappelle's Show, it was a 9/10; every fratboy-cum-retard who shouted "I'm Rick James, bitch!" thereafter scored a 0/10. Later on I got more and more tired of the sketch, and it fell down the list. But for one, brief moment, that sketch was a king.

This article wasn't hilarious. I don't think it every managed to make me laugh out loud. The video attached to the Doctor Who entry did, but that was the original show's doing, not the writers. The whole thing is mostly in the tradition of the VH1, Family-Guy type joke which dominates the internet and works as follows:
"Hey guys, remember (pop culture reference)? That was sure silly in some way."

The writer here is kind enough to work it out for us in writing, so it doesn't depend entirely on shared nostalgia, so he is bumped up a few points. It's not that original, and while I never really laughed I was still smiling at most of the entries. 4/10. Mildly amusing, funnier a man getting hit in the head by something but less funny than if he was hit in the groin. One thing that they definitely missed was the delicious irony inherent in the abuse of the word "Orwellian." Read his essay "Politics and the English Language" for details. I find it totally hilarious that his own name has become one of the shibboleths of Anglophone political culture, when the degradation of the language for political purposes was one of the things that most distressed him. The Bard has nothing on Orwell for irony.

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It's something awful... Seriously, if you're looking for epic funny there... You may as well start looking for platinum in your backyard. You're more likely to find the metal.

This has been about the best article they put out for almost two years now.
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Hobbes. AAUAGHFDHSFH. It's SO TRUE.

Most of the article is spot on. I'll even give them B5, to be honest. What was B5? A setup first season. Excellent seasons 2-4, if rushed and with a few awful episodes (Garibaldi: A wild zorg?! Are they crazy?!), and a mostly crappy 5th season. Add a crappy spinoff, several crappy movies, an even CRAPPIER Second spinoff, and brand new crappy movies... plus the worst EU ever...

Right. B5 deserves some whacking, despite how awesome those 3 seasons were.
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I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that one of the items on the list offended you in some way, thus rendering you deaf to the humor.
Clearly, you overestimate how much I'm willing to care about some random bashing of things I like. In fact, when it's done well, I find such things hysterical.

The article was just too all-over-the-place for me. An article about 22 Worst Moments in Sci-Fi should be amazing...there are so many to choose from. Instead, the worst moment in all sci-fi is Reagan's real-world space wankery? Two entries bashing the same thing in an unfunny manner? Going from the hilarious moment of Death by Chair to the "moments" of entire TV series?

If B5 deserves whacking, WHACK IT. Talk about the show itself, don't Google some pic of a rabid convention fan.
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I don't care what anyone says, Chronicles of Riddick was awesome.
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Vympel wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Chronicles of Riddick was awesome.
From the Games to the Tea-cup, indeed :D .

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Vympel wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Chronicles of Riddick was awesome.
Necromongers: You keep what you kill.

Me: ...that makes absolutely no sense.

I still liked it.
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Anguirus wrote:You can't have it both ways. Either the article has to be funny/absurd, or it has to take itself seriously and be solidly written. This made an attempt at both and largely failed. Sorry.
Succeeded for me, so your point of view is irrelevant. Sorry.

I think the only one I didn't find funny and/or insightful was the 'three laws' one. Primarily because the machines described aren't being run by AIs, though there is a Korean security company making AI-driven robots with machine guns...
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Xeriar wrote:
Anguirus wrote:You can't have it both ways. Either the article has to be funny/absurd, or it has to take itself seriously and be solidly written. This made an attempt at both and largely failed. Sorry.
Succeeded for me, so your point of view is irrelevant. Sorry.

I think the only one I didn't find funny and/or insightful was the 'three laws' one. Primarily because the machines described aren't being run by AIs, though there is a Korean security company making AI-driven robots with machine guns...
Also, remember, the idea with the three laws was not merely to make a brain that worked--as you could make an AI without them. The idea with the three laws was to make an AI that would be hardwire restricted from ever going S-S-S-SHODAN style on us. P-p-pitiful meatbags at SA didn't get the point! It was an ethics drive. Warbots don't need an ethics drive. But if you have several Asimovian robot valets or something, you would.

That's why I was confused by that entry. Asimov's own stuff included robots, on occasion, that had no three laws protections--or modified in such a horrific way that they were terribly skewed. The idea that it'd be nice to have a basic set of "service to man" commands in a robot's head, and the idea that people have made little remote-controlled machineguns... do not conflict.
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Nephtys wrote:Add a crappy spinoff, several crappy movies, an even CRAPPIER Second spinoff, and brand new crappy movies... plus the worst EU ever...

Right. B5 deserves some whacking, despite how awesome those 3 seasons were.
Well "In the Beginning" was pretty good but the rest of the movies were 'meh'. I've bought the 5 seasons but havent bothered with the Crusade set as it was dire.
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I'm supprised that Lowtax didn't include Starwars vs. Startrek debates in the list.


especially after his encounter with the unmentionalble.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:I'm supprised that Lowtax didn't include Starwars vs. Startrek debates in the list.


especially after his encounter with the unmentionalble.
The article author was not Lowtax, but Zack Parsons.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Vympel wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Chronicles of Riddick was awesome.
Necromongers: You keep what you kill.

Me: ...that makes absolutely no sense.

I still liked it.
Its easy, like you remember when Riddick killed that Necromonger leader at the end of the movie?

Well, he got to keep him, and make sweet man-on-corpse sex every night.

And nobody could say anything about it because Riddick could totally be like, "I killed that dude.", and then kill them.

Yes, I realize that the guy turned into vapor at the end of the movie, leaving no corpse. So how does Riddick have intercourse with it? Shut up, that's how.
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Pulp Hero wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Vympel wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Chronicles of Riddick was awesome.
Necromongers: You keep what you kill.

Me: ...that makes absolutely no sense.

I still liked it.
Its easy, like you remember when Riddick killed that Necromonger leader at the end of the movie?

Well, he got to keep him, and make sweet man-on-corpse sex every night.

And nobody could say anything about it because Riddick could totally be like, "I killed that dude.", and then kill them.

Yes, I realize that the guy turned into vapor at the end of the movie, leaving no corpse. So how does Riddick have intercourse with it? Shut up, that's how.
Oh, that's easy. He collects it with his teacup, and has sex with that.

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