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Posted: 2003-02-03 03:09pm
by Vertigo1
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Bah, he's just a sissy Limey that thinks all of us Yanks can't think for shit. :P
Must be the location. If I lived that close to the french, I'd be a little nutty too. :P

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:11pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Vertigo1 wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Bah, he's just a sissy Limey that thinks all of us Yanks can't think for shit. :P
Must be the location. If I lived that close to the french, I'd be a little nutty too. :P
Vert: You ARE a little nutty. :D

Perhaps it's all these weird people on SB lately, Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:14pm
by Stormbringer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Demios has used his Manji personae and a lot of other's here. He got driven out and titled.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:17pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Demios has used his Manji personae and a lot of other's here. He got driven out and titled.
Poor Deimos/Manji/Acclamator/Darth Valdemar. I wanted to mock him. Again.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:20pm
by Vertigo1
Admiral Valdemar wrote: Perhaps it's all these weird people on SB lately, Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Shit, I'd love it if Ladiesman would come over here with his pro-Enterprise 'arguements' . :D That'd be an event I'd love to see. :P

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:21pm
by Stormbringer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Demios has used his Manji personae and a lot of other's here. He got driven out and titled.
Poor Deimos/Manji/Acclamator/Darth Valdemar. I wanted to mock him. Again.
Don't forget Hammer, Totoenkopft, and Awacs.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:24pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Vertigo1 wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: Perhaps it's all these weird people on SB lately, Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Shit, I'd love it if Ladiesman would come over here with his pro-Enterprise 'arguements' . :D That'd be an event I'd love to see. :P
The term "arse raped" was coined for such events.
Stormbringer wrote: Don't forget Hammer, Totoenkopft, and Awacs.
Donner und blitzen, that guy had more aliases than Manji had inches in his rifles!

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:27pm
by Stormbringer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Don't forget Hammer, Totoenkopft, and Awacs.
Donner und blitzen, that guy had more aliases than Manji had inches in his rifles!
And I'm sure I'm forgeting some of the aliases.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:28pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Don't forget Hammer, Totoenkopft, and Awacs.
Donner und blitzen, that guy had more aliases than Manji had inches in his rifles!
And I'm sure I'm forgeting some of the aliases.
A whole new class of schizo, him and MKSheppard singlehandedly produced the pro-gun movement on the Internet it would seem.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:28pm
by Alferd Packer
Now THAT's comedy.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:36pm
by Stormbringer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:A whole new class of schizo, him and MKSheppard singlehandedly produced the pro-gun movement on the Internet it would seem.
And are some of the most effective arguments for it.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:38pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:A whole new class of schizo, him and MKSheppard singlehandedly produced the pro-gun movement on the Internet it would seem.
And are some of the most effective arguments for it.
I think the laws of physics are the best nemesis here, a 16" shoulder mounted rifle will soon pay for itself.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:39pm
by ArmorPierce
XaLEv wrote:"Light" doesn't quite look right. Seems to have too much white in it, not enough blue. Bit sharp compared to the rest, too.
Yeah, but look at the "NEARLY," it looks the same, it is probably due to the picture being taken at an angle.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:43pm
by Nathan F
Knowing how stupid the idiot news media the US has, this doesn't surprise me a bit. I mean, we have some genuine idiots running the show on some of these newspapers and news programs. Just listen to one newscast that concerns firearms or military hardware. Take a list of how many errors you hear. You will be surprised.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:51pm
by Admiral Valdemar
NF_Utvol wrote:Knowing how stupid the idiot news media the US has, this doesn't surprise me a bit. I mean, we have some genuine idiots running the show on some of these newspapers and news programs. Just listen to one newscast that concerns firearms or military hardware. Take a list of how many errors you hear. You will be surprised.
Ooh, .22mm calibre rifle. Unless it's going at 18 TIMES TEH SP33D 0F L1GHT!!1! then it ain't doing shit to me.

I have heard they are the worst for gun reporting, they took forever to get the make of the gun right for the Washington sniper incident.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:52pm
by Sea Skimmer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:A whole new class of schizo, him and MKSheppard singlehandedly produced the pro-gun movement on the Internet it would seem.
And are some of the most effective arguments for it.
I think the laws of physics are the best nemesis here, a 16" shoulder mounted rifle will soon pay for itself.
Add the word recoilless and you've got a perfectly fine weapon, the Soviet actually built one, though it blew up during trials. I've got the pictures somewhere. They also built a 12 inch recoilless rifle and mounted it on a destroyer, 10,000 meter range with a 200 pound shell IIRC. Plan was for five but the war cut things short.

Firing a much lighter shorter shell you might actually be able to fire one from your shoulder. Almost certainly from a hummer or M113.

Posted: 2003-02-03 03:54pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Manji is a guy I really wish would come over here for a while.
Demios has used his Manji personae and a lot of other's here. He got driven out and titled.
W000000000T W00T W000T W00T! I hated Deimos anyway. I'm glad he's gone.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:06pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: And are some of the most effective arguments for it.
I think the laws of physics are the best nemesis here, a 16" shoulder mounted rifle will soon pay for itself.
Add the word recoilless and you've got a perfectly fine weapon, the Soviet actually built one, though it blew up during trials. I've got the pictures somewhere. They also built a 12 inch recoilless rifle and mounted it on a destroyer, 10,000 meter range with a 200 pound shell IIRC. Plan was for five but the war cut things short.

Firing a much lighter shorter shell you might actually be able to fire one from your shoulder. Almost certainly from a hummer or M113.
The best calibre I hear is 88mm, and besides, Manji or Legion as he shall now be known, was basically asking for the Iowa to give a man one of it's rifles. The barrel would hurt.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:13pm
by Sea Skimmer
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: I think the laws of physics are the best nemesis here, a 16" shoulder mounted rifle will soon pay for itself.
Add the word recoilless and you've got a perfectly fine weapon, the Soviet actually built one, though it blew up during trials. I've got the pictures somewhere. They also built a 12 inch recoilless rifle and mounted it on a destroyer, 10,000 meter range with a 200 pound shell IIRC. Plan was for five but the war cut things short.

Firing a much lighter shorter shell you might actually be able to fire one from your shoulder. Almost certainly from a hummer or M113.
The best calibre I hear is 88mm, and besides, Manji or Legion as he shall now be known, was basically asking for the Iowa to give a man one of it's rifles. The barrel would hurt.
80-90mm is where you generally find recoilless rifles. Alot of that has to do with ammo and weapon weight. Now a days rocket launchers are better. The 105mm RPG-29 can kill a T-80 frontally with heavy reactive armor fitted. Though it weighs as much as a Javalin system with two missiles with about a fifth the accurate range. Cheep as shit though.

As for an Iowa gun hurting, I'd expect so, given that just the barrel weighs 119 tons

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:36pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote: Add the word recoilless and you've got a perfectly fine weapon, the Soviet actually built one, though it blew up during trials. I've got the pictures somewhere. They also built a 12 inch recoilless rifle and mounted it on a destroyer, 10,000 meter range with a 200 pound shell IIRC. Plan was for five but the war cut things short.

Firing a much lighter shorter shell you might actually be able to fire one from your shoulder. Almost certainly from a hummer or M113.
The best calibre I hear is 88mm, and besides, Manji or Legion as he shall now be known, was basically asking for the Iowa to give a man one of it's rifles. The barrel would hurt.
80-90mm is where you generally find recoilless rifles. Alot of that has to do with ammo and weapon weight. Now a days rocket launchers are better. The 105mm RPG-29 can kill a T-80 frontally with heavy reactive armor fitted. Though it weighs as much as a Javalin system with two missiles with about a fifth the accurate range. Cheep as shit though.

As for an Iowa gun hurting, I'd expect so, given that just the barrel weighs 119 tons
Heh, yeah, I forget the name, but the rifle used primarily in Vietname was a good all-rounder, but missiles seem more apt now as you say.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:47pm
by Nathan F
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:Knowing how stupid the idiot news media the US has, this doesn't surprise me a bit. I mean, we have some genuine idiots running the show on some of these newspapers and news programs. Just listen to one newscast that concerns firearms or military hardware. Take a list of how many errors you hear. You will be surprised.
Ooh, .22mm calibre rifle. Unless it's going at 18 TIMES TEH SP33D 0F L1GHT!!1! then it ain't doing shit to me.

I have heard they are the worst for gun reporting, they took forever to get the make of the gun right for the Washington sniper incident.
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hehe, anywho, yeah, they screwed up something awful on the Washington sniper, they were throwing out images of an AR-15, calling it an 'assault rifle most likely used in the murders'. While no evidence was pointing towards this...

Mostly just because an AR-15 'looks mean'. Bah, stupid people...

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:50pm
by Nathan F
I have found that the American news media needs to generally be taken with a grain of salt. There are many cases where they go so far as to border on yellow journalism when they report stories and blow them way out of proportion.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:51pm
by Stormbringer
NF_Utvol wrote:I have found that the American news media needs to generally be taken with a grain of salt. There are many cases where they go so far as to border on yellow journalism when they report stories and blow them way out of proportion.
That's hardly a problem confined to the US media. I've seen the same sort of stuff out of European news outlets.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:52pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
I've actually heard that European news is sometimes worse, particularly in the UK. Most newspapers and news programmes have become rags, from what my sister and mom have said.

Posted: 2003-02-03 04:53pm
by Burak Gazan
They also had the shuttle travelling at "Mock 18" just before the accident....I guess this was a typo too :)
And FOX news had the shuttle at an altitude of "200,000 miles"..... :shock:

Probably just a case of newsies typing too fast to proofread :D