Sally Kern: Gays Bigger Threat than Terrorists, Islam

[wjs7744]

Ahem "Manchester United Sucks" or any other local Soccer team then drive around the area. The don't call them hooligans because they don't care.

Isn't the Manchester United fan from Manchester supposedly a mythical beast? In any case, I still can't see that; when was the last time you heard of someone being killed over football? I know that we're far from perfect, and we have more than our fair share of hooligans, which only makes the fact that we are still not as bad as the worst parts of America even more frightening.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

For the Alabama thing...I think they're referring to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cScZFAqsn6M

Usually I like Top Gear, but I wouldn't have felt a bit of pity for them if they had gotten their asses beaten over that. "Let's drive around with crap written on our cars that we know will piss people off and then act as if it's all their fault for anything that happens!" Fucking idiots.

Christ, I didn't actually expect their lives to literally be threatened like that. It must be a constant war zone for openly gay people to live there.

[wjs7744]

Usually I like Top Gear, but I wouldn't have felt a bit of pity for them if they had gotten their asses beaten over that. "Let's drive around with crap written on our cars that we know will piss people off and then act as if it's all their fault for anything that happens!" Fucking idiots.

I think they probably over/underestimated (however you want to look at it) the fundies in question. Not to mention that they are kind of famous for doing stupid things.

[Darth Wong]

Usually I like Top Gear, but I wouldn't have felt a bit of pity for them if they had gotten their asses beaten over that. "Let's drive around with crap written on our cars that we know will piss people off and then act as if it's all their fault for anything that happens!" Fucking idiots.

I think they probably over/underestimated (however you want to look at it) the fundies in question. Not to mention that they are kind of famous for doing stupid things.

Maybe they were foolish enough to think that there is actual law and order in America.

[Mr. Coffee]

Usually I like Top Gear, but I wouldn't have felt a bit of pity for them if they had gotten their asses beaten over that. "Let's drive around with crap written on our cars that we know will piss people off and then act as if it's all their fault for anything that happens!" Fucking idiots.

I think they probably over/underestimated (however you want to look at it) the fundies in question. Not to mention that they are kind of famous for doing stupid things.

Maybe they were foolish enough to think that there is actual law and order in America.

And usually there is, Mike. But when you paint shit on the side of your car with the express intent to try and provoke a violent response, don't act all suprised about it when it happens. That's my point. Where the people who got pissed off and chased them in the right? No, they are still in the wrong. Does that mean the Top Gear crew aren't wrong for going out of their way to provoke people? No, it does not, they are still in the wrong.

[Darth Wong]

I think they probably over/underestimated (however you want to look at it) the fundies in question. Not to mention that they are kind of famous for doing stupid things.

Maybe they were foolish enough to think that there is actual law and order in America.

And usually there is, Mike. But when you paint shit on the side of your car with the express intent to try and provoke a violent response, don't act all suprised about it when it happens. That's my point.

In a civilized area, that would provoke, at most, hostile stares. Not actual threats of violence. That's my point.

Where the people who got pissed off and chased them in the right? No, they are still in the wrong. Does that mean the Top Gear crew aren't wrong for going out of their way to provoke people? No, it does not, they are still in the wrong.

The words "provoke violence" imply that there is a single universal standard for provocation. There isn't. In certain countries, people can "provoke violence" by violating insane religious doctrines that they didn't even know about, and that weren't prosecuted even 5 years earlier in the same land. Are they "in the wrong" too?

If an openly gay person walks around in JesusLand and gets beaten up, is he "in the wrong" because he provoked a violent response? He might not be too smart for taking a risk like that, but to say he's actually "in the wrong" is fucking bullshit.

[His Divine Shadow]

Hmmm, how real was that part of the Top Gear episode anyway? It seems to be an assumption going on here (well founded though it might be) that what happened was for real and not scripted? I recently rewatched the episode and I did wonder how real that part really was, it's not like the series is a documentary, in one scene they are supposed to stay in the woods for a night and while the hamster and captain slow debates skinning a dead squirrel with a pen knife for food Clarkson comes with a dead cow on the roof his Camaro.

[Darth Wong]

Hmmm, how real was that part of the Top Gear episode anyway?

It's on TV, so it must be true

Seriously though, there are even people on this board who have mentioned experiencing incidents of violence against gays in the South. It's hardly out of line with experience, regardless of whether any of it was staged.

[Mr. Coffee]

In a civilized area, that would provoke, at most, hostile stares. Not actual threats of violence. That's my point.

And in most civilized areas one can expect not to have a group of assholes come through purposely trying to provoke people. THAT'S MY POINT.

The words "provoke violence" imply that there is a single universal standard for provocation. There isn't. In certain countries, people can "provoke violence" by violating insane religious doctrines that they didn't even know about, and that weren't prosecuted even 5 years earlier in the same land. Are they "in the wrong" too?

If I go to Suadia Araba and spray paint "Islam is for stupid people" I can expect to provoke people. I drive through Compton and spray paint "All Gangbangers are latent homosexuals" I can expect to provoke people. I drive around the Deep South with "Nascar Sucks" I can expect to provoke a response.

Hey, maybe in Canada it's perfectly alright to poke bears with sticks. Maybe in Canda it's entirely the bears fault for reacting to being poked with sticks and the person holding the stick isn't at all responsible for their actions.

Here in the US, you do something stupid like paint slogans on your car designed to provoke people and we generally get a good laugh at your expense before we call the cops to come rescue you from your own stupidity..

If an openly gay person walks around in JesusLand and gets beaten up, is he "in the wrong" because he provoked a violent response? He might not be too smart for taking a risk like that, but to say he's actually "in the wrong" is fucking bullshit.

Yes, because being gay and painting inflammitory remarks on your car are the same thing, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

[Darth Wong]

In a civilized area, that would provoke, at most, hostile stares. Not actual threats of violence. That's my point.

And in most civilized areas one can expect not to have a group of assholes come through purposely trying to provoke people. THAT'S MY POINT.

Obviously, the whole bit about what constitutes reasonable provocation in a civilized society is beyond your comprehension.

If I go to Suadia Araba and spray paint "Islam is for stupid people" I can expect to provoke people. I drive through Compton and spray paint "All Gangbangers are latent homosexuals" I can expect to provoke people. I drive around the Deep South with "Nascar Sucks" I can expect to provoke a response.

And everyone already agrees that the Saudis are assholes, and that violent youth gangs are assholes. The comparison is not helping your cause, fool.

Hey, maybe in Canada it's perfectly alright to poke bears with sticks. Maybe in Canda it's entirely the bears fault for reacting to being poked with sticks and the person holding the stick isn't at all responsible for their actions.

In Canada, we understand that the bears are animals, so you do not provoke them. If you are saying that American rednecks are animals, then I accept your concession.

Here in the US, you do something stupid like paint slogans on your car designed to provoke people and we generally get a good laugh at your expense before we call the cops to come rescue you from your own stupidity..

It's only "stupid" if the locals are animals, which they should not be in a civilized society.

Yes, because being gay and painting inflammitory remarks on your car are the same thing, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

As a matter of fact, for the purposes of this argument, they are. Obviously, that point sailed over your head as well.

[Mr. Coffee]

So basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to be an obnoxious cunt and go out of your way to provoke other people and then act suprised when someone takes the bait.

[Sea Skimmer]

I couldn't make out what they wrote on the first car. I saw the "Hillary for President" one and the "Man Love Rules" one and the "NASCAR Sucks" one, but I couldn't make out the first car. "<something> Rubbish" is all I saw.

Anyway, it's pretty sad that in redneckland, it is considered a reasonable provocation to violence to say that you're gay, or that you want Hillary for president, or that NASCAR sucks.

You do know Top Gear scripts and stages just about everything they do right?

[Darth Wong]

So basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to be an obnoxious cunt and go out of your way to provoke other people and then act suprised when someone takes the bait.

It's only "obnoxious" if you think that what they're saying is really offensive. It isn't.

[Darth Wong]

I couldn't make out what they wrote on the first car. I saw the "Hillary for President" one and the "Man Love Rules" one and the "NASCAR Sucks" one, but I couldn't make out the first car. "<something> Rubbish" is all I saw.

Anyway, it's pretty sad that in redneckland, it is considered a reasonable provocation to violence to say that you're gay, or that you want Hillary for president, or that NASCAR sucks.

You do know Top Gear scripts and stages just about everything they do right?

Did you notice that Mr. Coffee has been arguing angrily and vociferously that if it were real, then the Top Gear guys were "in the wrong" and committed reasonable provocation for violence? Even if it's all staged, Mr. Coffee has proven my point for me.

[Mr. Coffee]

Did you notice that Mr. Coffee has been arguing angrily and vociferously that if it were real, then the Top Gear guys were "in the wrong" and committed reasonable provocation for violence?

And of course you can show where I said it would be entirely their fault and that the rednecks that might've beaten their asses were completely blameless, right? I said they'd be in the wrong every bit as much as the rednecks. The top gear guys for being dumb enough to go around provoking people and the rednecks for taking the bait. Some how you've changed that to "It's all Top Gear's fault, them poor rednecks is blameless".

[Admiral Valdemar]

You do know Top Gear scripts and stages just about everything they do right?

Actually, there was a lot of furore over that episode and the different feel with that scene, so much so, that the gas station owner got contacted a few times by outsiders asking if it happened. So if it was staged, they did a damn good job.

The point is moot, however. That so many people can cast doubt on whether it was explicitly staged or not speaks volumes for the south.

[Warsie]

I couldn't make out what they wrote on the first car. I saw the "Hillary for President" one and the "Man Love Rules" one and the "NASCAR Sucks" one, but I couldn't make out the first car. "<something> Rubbish" is all I saw.

the "rubbish" one was "Westerns Are Rubbish"

[Warsie]

Ahem "Manchester United Sucks" or any other local Soccer team then drive around the area. The don't call them hooligans because they don't care.

That can be true. Attack the local sports teams. If your metro area has several baseball/etc teams (like Chicago) even funnier. ex. Wearing a Cubs hat to a White Sox game. But that's rarely, and for a few people who are very drunk. normally doesn't happen.

I wonder what would've happen if I wore that tshirt hell "Fuck you you're Irish" shirt to the St. Patrick's Day parade

[Molyneux]

Did you notice that Mr. Coffee has been arguing angrily and vociferously that if it were real, then the Top Gear guys were "in the wrong" and committed reasonable provocation for violence?

And of course you can show where I said it would be entirely their fault and that the rednecks that might've beaten their asses were completely blameless, right? I said they'd be in the wrong every bit as much as the rednecks. The top gear guys for being dumb enough to go around provoking people and the rednecks for taking the bait. Some how you've changed that to "It's all Top Gear's fault, them poor rednecks is blameless".

Fucking yes, it is the rednecks' fault! The proper and defensible response to an insulting message is in kind. "Those schmucks from Top Gear suck each others' cocks all night", for example.

There is such a thing as "fighting words" in certain legal doctrines. I doubt you will find any worthwhile definition where what the Top Gear people did falls under that umbrella.

[Darth Wong]

Did you notice that Mr. Coffee has been arguing angrily and vociferously that if it were real, then the Top Gear guys were "in the wrong" and committed reasonable provocation for violence?

And of course you can show where I said it would be entirely their fault and that the rednecks that might've beaten their asses were completely blameless, right? I said they'd be in the wrong every bit as much as the rednecks. The top gear guys for being dumb enough to go around provoking people and the rednecks for taking the bait. Some how you've changed that to "It's all Top Gear's fault, them poor rednecks is blameless".

I don't have to, fucktard. Any position other than putting 100% of the blame on the rednecks is pure idiocy. You're just too much of a redneck culture apologist to understand that. You seem to think that putting only some of the blame on the rednecks makes you enlightened or something. You must be using the Glenn Beck scale of enlightenment.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Yes, because being gay and painting inflammitory remarks on your car are the same thing, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

Mr. Coffee, the OP of this thread was about a legislator saying that gays are more dangerous to America than terrorism or Islam. I don't doubt that in many areas of the United States (notably places such as Alabama) there will be people that will react violently to the mere presence an open gay person.

[Lord Poe]

So basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to be an obnoxious cunt and go out of your way to provoke other people and then act suprised when someone takes the bait.

It's only "obnoxious" if you think that what they're saying is really offensive. It isn't.

Triumph had a bit of trouble in that regard when Conan's show was broadcast in Toronto.

[Darth Wong]

So basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to be an obnoxious cunt and go out of your way to provoke other people and then act suprised when someone takes the bait.

It's only "obnoxious" if you think that what they're saying is really offensive. It isn't.

Triumph had a bit of trouble in that regard when Conan's show was broadcast in Toronto.

For one thing, the problem was in Quebec. Ontario's premier did not regret sponsoring Conan's show. And the "trouble" in that case was words, not threats of violence. That's not at all equivalent. If these Alabama types would respond to "Country and Western sucks" by shouting back "Oh yeah? Rock and roll sucks!" that would be perfectly acceptable. Threats of violence are not.

[Rye]

So basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to be an obnoxious cunt and go out of your way to provoke other people and then act suprised when someone takes the bait.

Uh writing "man love is great" on your own car is being so obnoxious and provoking you should expect violence in response? Compare that message to the one the crazy bint in the OP said. Who would expect more violence from provocation there?

[Mr. Coffee]

I don't have to, fucktard. Any position other than putting 100% of the blame on the rednecks is pure idiocy. You're just too much of a redneck culture apologist to understand that.

Of course you don't have to back it up, because you fucking can't. Show me where I'vew been saying anything remotely resembling "the rednecks aren't at fault"? I guess that shit about intellectual honesty only fucking applies to others. No, seriously mike, show me where I've been appologizing for redneck culture.

You seem to think that putting only some of the blame on the rednecks makes you enlightened or something. You must be using the Glenn Beck scale of enlightenment.

No, asshole. It makes me smart enough to understand that if ygo looking for trouble and find it, then don't at all suprised about.

That's my fucking point, asshole.