Right to bear arms (at work) against employer's wishes

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-07-14 08:18pm

Bubble Boy wrote: I could very well be mistaken, I'm trying to look up information on the subject as we speak.

However, unless martial law is declared, I was under the impression the police can't actually force you to yield to inspection without a warrant, but they can deny you entry into said facility if you refuse to comply.

So what? The question wasn't whether or not they could force the person to comply with the search. It was whether or not they could search period. Since all a cop needs to search someone's property outside of their home is probable cause, merely being on the private property in question is sufficient. If they refuse to comply that just means they get shown the door. It's not as if they have an unalienable right to be on someone else's private property.

Singular Intellect · Post by **Singular Intellect** » 2008-07-14 08:33pm

Cutting to the chase GZ; If you were to pull up in a private parking area, (say in front of a convience store), do you think they have the right to tell you what you're permitted to have in your car? Your car is on their private property, but anything in your car is within your private property.

Say you had a dildo in the car after a sweaty sex session with your GF or wife, and one of the owners happens to spot in within your car. Do you think they're entitled to tell you what you're allowed to carry in your car?

Do you understand the difference I'm arguing?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-07-14 08:41pm

Bubble Boy wrote:Cutting to the chase GZ; If you were to pull up in a private parking area, (say in front of a convience store), do you think they have the right to tell you what you're permitted to have in your car? Your car is on their private property, but anything in your car is within your private property.

Say you had a dildo in the car after a sweaty sex session with your GF or wife, and one of the owners happens to spot in within your car. Do you think they're entitled to tell you what you're allowed to carry in your car?

Do you understand the difference I'm arguing?

Stop being so pedantic. Obviously I meant dangerous items as opposed to anything and everything.

Singular Intellect · Post by **Singular Intellect** » 2008-07-14 08:48pm

General Zod wrote:
Bubble Boy wrote:Cutting to the chase GZ; If you were to pull up in a private parking area, (say in front of a convience store), do you think they have the right to tell you what you're permitted to have in your car? Your car is on their private property, but anything in your car is within your private property.

Say you had a dildo in the car after a sweaty sex session with your GF or wife, and one of the owners happens to spot in within your car. Do you think they're entitled to tell you what you're allowed to carry in your car?

Do you understand the difference I'm arguing?
Stop being so pedantic. Obviously I meant dangerous items as opposed to anything and everything.

Ok, if you're going to ignore the actual point...say you have a knife/gun in your car, an argueably and potentially dangerous weapon, and you're in front of that same convience store which has a private parking lot for customers. It's legal for you to have that knife/gun in your car according to the law. Would the owner then have the right to tell you that you are not permitted to have a knife/gun in your car, which is your private property?

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2008-07-14 08:57pm

Bubble Boy wrote:Ok, if you're going to ignore the actual point...say you have a knife/gun in your car, an argueably and potentially dangerous weapon, and you're in front of that same convience store which has a private parking lot for customers. It's legal for you to have that knife/gun in your car according to the law. Would the owner then have the right to tell you that you are not permitted to have a knife/gun in your car, which is your private property?

You can keep the knife/gun in your car as much as you want. It doesn't mean you have to keep the car containing the knife/gun on the other guy's property, now does it? The car, after all, is meant to move. (If it didn't, it wouldn't be much of a car.) Therefore, there is a way for both the owner of the convenience store and you, the owner of the car, to each have your rights unviolated: keep your goddamn car off the parking lot.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-07-14 09:03pm

Bubble Boy wrote: Ok, if you're going to ignore the actual point...say you have a knife/gun in your car, an argueably and potentially dangerous weapon, and you're in front of that same convience store which has a private parking lot for customers. It's legal for you to have that knife/gun in your car according to the law. Would the owner then have the right to tell you that you are not permitted to have a knife/gun in your car, which is your private property?

This depends entirely on the state in question. Some states let the owner tell people to fuck off their property no matter what reason they want as long as they aren't denying them service based on race, religion, etc. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Florida law but it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was allowed down there. This isn't an ethics argument for fuck's sake, it's purely a legal one. If Florida lets the owners tell customers to fuck off for any reason that's not one of the big two that I mentioned above, you've really got no point.

Singular Intellect · Post by **Singular Intellect** » 2008-07-14 09:14pm

General Zod wrote:
Bubble Boy wrote: Ok, if you're going to ignore the actual point...say you have a knife/gun in your car, an argueably and potentially dangerous weapon, and you're in front of that same convience store which has a private parking lot for customers. It's legal for you to have that knife/gun in your car according to the law. Would the owner then have the right to tell you that you are not permitted to have a knife/gun in your car, which is your private property?
This depends entirely on the state in question. Some states let the owner tell people to fuck off their property no matter what reason they want as long as they aren't denying them service based on race, religion, etc. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Florida law but it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was allowed down there. This isn't an ethics argument for fuck's sake, it's purely a legal one. If Florida lets the owners tell customers to fuck off for any reason that's not one of the big two that I mentioned above, you've really got no point.

*nods* Fair enough, I do know that's the situation where I live.