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Guardsman Bass wrote:I thought that was more or less the whole point of the Wii from the very beginning - rather than chase after Microsoft and Sony in their never-ending race to see who can build the most powerful graphics and gaming engines, they'd try to hit a different market. It's no real surprise if most of the games they put out as a result of this are not exactly exciting to the 18-25 year old gamer demographic.

Your right, but what we are saying is that nintendo skimped way too much on hardware, yeah, they didn't need to compete. But they DID need CAPABLE HARDWARE, and what they gave the developers to work with is just so amazingly pathetic.

Stark wrote:If it was an 'experiment' it kinda makes sense, to limit their potential loss, but as a flagship console it just isn't enough and they cut too many corners.

MKSheppard wrote:now if Microsoft would only produce a third generation 360 Mark III that fixes the fucking burnup problems then I might look into getting one...

DaveJB wrote:So just to recap, Nintendo are a bunch of greedy profiteers who've stopped caring about their customers, Microsoft make crappy, unreliable consoles and only started caring about their customers when the shit hit the fan, and Sony are just plain crap. Clearly we need Sega to return and show everyone else how it's done!

bilateralrope wrote:This link (from the post on vgcats.com) says that Nintendo is "not using E3 to speak to the core gamer anymore". So how do you get anything more from that than them saying that they won't use E3 to advertise to one segment of their market ?

So unless there is some more information I'm not aware of, it just looks like people are complaining because Nintendo is trying to get new people with their advertising, instead of advertising to people who probably will buy the games anyway. Though people jumping to the wrong conclusion, then having their conclusion taken as fact won't be helping.

Vendetta wrote:

MKSheppard wrote:now if Microsoft would only produce a third generation 360 Mark III that fixes the fucking burnup problems then I might look into getting one...

The latest ones have pretty much got that sorted out. (It was the VGA chip that used to burn out, and they've now got a heatpipe going from that to the main fan airflow on the latest models, as well as a 90nm lower power consumption chipset)

weemadando wrote:You are at a goddamn video gaming trade show. This is the show that is slavishly followed by the hardcore

Ender wrote:Oh, that is about Nintendo? I thought it was from him to his readers.

Bounty wrote:Iwata has come forward and said that Nintendo isn't trying to piss off the ZOMG 1337 hArDc0r3 crowd, they just didn't think the biggest titles were demo-worthy yet.

It also speaks volumes about the whiny kiddies that they don't consider Wii Music a "big title". Yeah, who wants a completely new take on a fresh genre when you can be fawning over Generic Space Marine Shooter XXVII: Now With More Cleavage?

weemadando wrote: - Leaking Pikmin news in a later interview, rather than even mentioning it in the main conference.

Vendetta wrote:

DaveJB wrote:It's worth noting that the winner of each console generation has been the one that has been able to appeal to the casual gamer. The 2600 and NES managed to do that by being new and rad, the PS1 opened up the market for more mature games, the PS2 got a lot of purchases purely for its DVD playing features, and the Wii's control scheme has been key to its success so far.

True. At a console level, the winner is always going to be the one with the wide sales base. Until now, that has always dragged the rest of the market with it.

At a publisher level, it's not as clear cut in this generation. The Wii, for example, has an attach rate of about 5, but only 27 games have sold over a million units, whereas the Xbox 360, with two thirds of the sales base, has 42 individual million selling titles and an attach rate of 7. (the total numbers for all games that have sold over a million on both platforms are within shouting distance of each other, but that does include the sales of Wii Sports, which is a pack in in two regions for the Wii, boosting it's numbers considerably, since in Japan, where it's not packed in, only about 50% of Wii owners buy it).

A publisher might look at those figures (and the other one, which is that of the top 15 selling Wii titles only three are not published by Nintendo, and one of those still has Mario in) and consider very hard whether they want a small slice of a big pie or a big slice of a small pie.

Bounty wrote: It also speaks volumes about the whiny kiddies that they don't consider Wii Music a "big title". Yeah, who wants a completely new take on a fresh genre when you can be fawning over Generic Space Marine Shooter XXVII: Now With More Cleavage?

Vendetta wrote:

weemadando wrote: - Leaking Pikmin news in a later interview, rather than even mentioning it in the main conference.

Even being able to say "Pikmin with the Wii remote" on stage at E3 would have been one shiny diamond in the dungheap of their E3 conference, rather than keeping it later and on it's own.

I suspect they kept it low key because it's early and not ready to show, but even saying the words would have helped.

Apologist bullshit; clearly you seem to have forgotten Rock Band or Guitar Hero, both of which make you look like far less of a tool when you play them.

Bounty wrote:

Apologist bullshit; clearly you seem to have forgotten Rock Band or Guitar Hero, both of which make you look like far less of a tool when you play them.

Are you seriosuly arguing that a plastic guitar is worse than an imaginary saxophone?

CaptainZoidberg wrote:I can't say that much about Bioshock...

Also, for those critisizing the Wii on technical merits: what would be the advantage for games like Smash Brothers or Wind Waker. How much better does Mario really look on more advanced hardware? What's the advantage to giving him a few million more polygons?