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Solauren wrote:Of course, the resemblance of alien abductions and fairy encounters to certain sleep disorders and nightmares is just pure coincidence...
Not to mention that the greater percentage of abductees are those who are vulnerable to fantasies, have greater imagination and etc..................

Keep in mind it's not my theory, I just posted it because it mentions about the similarities between things like aliens and fairies. And because it seems to annoy the more conventional fairy/alien lovers no end, which is always fun.
This reminds me of that whole UFOs are Nazi aircraft operating from the Centre of the Hollow Earth book. That was fun:D
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Revy wrote:John Keel actually supports the view that most if not all of these encounters with other beings (be they alien, demon, angel or fairy) are all the result of the same thing, and that the only difference between an alien abduction and a fairy abduction is the time period and context of the event, further coloured by the beliefs of the person in question and whoever researched and wrote about the event.

He believed himself that they were all manifestations of a more advanced intelligent form of life (he called them ultra terrestrials, or UT's) that is to us what we are to insects. I'm not sure I buy that, but I did have a good laugh trotting his theories out on forums full of fairy-loving Wiccans and X-Filey conspiracy freaks, because they all seem to hate it and get really angry at the very suggestion. There was one pagan forum I was on, where I mentioned Keel's ideas, and I got a really angry response from one of the Moderators for 'attacking her beliefs' - she believed in the Celtic faeries called Sidhe or somesuch, and felt that my assertion that all things akin to fairies, elves and whatnot at being the twisted game of some Cthullu-ish entities, was an affront to her religion, faith, whatever, and demanded an apology from me.

Anyway, I found an old article that mentioned his theory;
The most popular belief today is that UFOs are spaceships piloted by aliens from other planets and other solar systems. But another good theory which never gets as much press is that UFOs may, in fact, originate right here on earth. Instead of being Extraterrestrials, UFO aliens might be Ultraterrestrials -- a species that has always been here, which evolved on earth along with homo sapiens, but which represent a species far advanced. These Ultraterrestrials are so superior to us it’s almost impossible for us to comprehend their existence. All we know of them are fleeting glimpses of light in the sky, occasional bizarre encounters between human beings and so-called aliens, and other unexplainable phenomenon. Think of how a group of chimpanzees in the wild perceive human beings. Because their own level of consciousness is limited compared to ours, they cannot comprehend what we humans are beyond being just another kind of animal. A chimp may think of an airplane as some kind of magical, giant bird.

They relate to it with the level of understanding they have about their environment. The speculation of the chimp, at best, is a crude idea about the total truth of an airplane, and the fact that it represents entire levels of consciousness that are so advanced, they are literally invisible to chimp mind. Now think of a human being who encounters a UFO. To us a UFO seems to be some kind of flying, mechanical aircraft -- but the true nature of the UFO may be as different from a spacecraft as a bird is from an airplane. Like the chimp, we just don’t have the advanced levels of consciousness we need to comprehend the true nature of a UFO. As humans, we make the naturally egotistical assumption that we are the species at the top of the heap -- we see ourselves as the peak achievement of evolution. We even make the bold claim that God, the supreme architect of the entire universe, created us in his own image! But it’s not a big leap to consider that we are just another link in a vast chain of species, many which are below us, and some which may be above us.

People who support the Ultraterrestrial theory, such as authors Jacques Vallee and John Keel, point out that supernatural beings seemingly superior to humans have been reported throughout history. In previous eras they were called gods, angels, ogres, fairies, brownies, little people, demons, and more. The Bible is filled with references to supernatural creatures, including giants, “wheels” flying in the sky out of which incredible creatures emerge, and more. But references to flying disks were recorded centuries before the texts of the Bible. Cave drawing dating to 30,000 B.C. depict disks floating around in the sky, remarkably similar to modern UFO photographs. Maverick UFO investigators like Vallee and Keel have pointed out the amazing similarities of modern UFO aliens to that of elves, fairies and the various “little people” famous in the folklore of many cultures. Fairies are known for kidnapping people, the same irritating habit UFO aliens have. People who are abducted report incidents of missing time, a phenomenon very similar to time lapses reported by people taken to and returned from “fairyland.” Fairies, like modern aliens, tend to be diminutive creatures with large magical eyes. Many reports of alien abduction even include “power rods” used to paralyze abductees, just as fairies wield “magic wands.” One of the most interesting comparisons between aliens and fairies is that both are interested in stealing babies.

One of the most common fairy activities is swiping babies from cribs, and sometimes replacing them with a false double, or “changeling” as they are sometimes called. A large part of modern UFO literature involves aliens abducting women, impregnating them, and then later abducting them again, only to remove and take the unborn baby right out of the womb. Clearly, both UFO occupants and fairies have a strong affinity for the baby business. Fairies are closely associated with nature, just as modern aliens also display a certain obsession with environmental issues. One of the most common alien abduction scenarios involves aliens who force people to watch “movies” depicting massive environmental degradation caused by modern human civizilation. The aliens then give them a lecture on environmental issues and let them go. If aliens truly are a superior species from earth and evolved on earth, it would make sense that they would be concerned about another species wrecking the planet. But then you might ask, why don’t the Ultraterrestrials simply step in and “manage” us the same way humans “manage” wildlife, including chimps and other large primates? The Ultraterrestrial theorists answer: “They are!” That’s what all the abduction and experiments are about! Just as human beings capture and tag various species, UFO abductees report experiences of extreme similarity.

Many people report being “tagged” during frightening sessions on a UFO operating table. Some of these “tags” have even been recovered, or show up on MRI exams, and remain unexplained. It’s also possible that Ultraterrestrials comprehend and operate within higher levels of dimension than we experience at the human level. A chimp, for example, does not comprehend the dimension of time like humans can, and a chimp could never understand that time and space are actually two parts of the same dimension, as scientists have discovered. Mathematicians tell us that many additional dimensions of reality exist -- dimensions which only the most brilliant math minds can glimpse through numbers, although they cannot experience them psychologically in any meaningful way. If Ultraterrestrials can exist “above” or “beyond” spacetime, that means they can easily see us, trick us and manipulate our existence, while we can’t see them at all, or only in the most crude manner, or perhaps only when they allow us to see them. Imagine when a bear is shot with a drugged dart from a helicopter hovering above him. Imagine how terrified the bear is of the bizarre flying monster, and the noise and lights that come out of it. Now imagine what the bear thinks of the strange beings that emerge from the flying monster. The strange beings poke and prod him, look inside his mouth, apply a tag to his ear, and then let him go. Why? How can a bear understand or interpret the meaning of this incident on its level of consciousness? It can’t. Human beings are so advanced and superior as to be incomprehensible. Is it so difficult to believe that the ongoing bizarre and seemingly incomprehensible phenomenon of UFOs and their activities are the actions of an earth-born species far advanced and superior to human beings? Just ask a bear or a chimp.
Keep in mind it's not my theory, I just posted it because it mentions about the similarities between things like aliens and fairies. And because it seems to annoy the more conventional fairy/alien lovers no end, which is always fun.
Hmm... If anything, it makes a good basis for a horror-SF novel.
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Except what he's actually saying is that the supposed similarity between aliens and fairies, is because aliens are fairies. "Ultraterrestrials" are magical creatures that live in another "dimension" and comes out sometimes (usually at night, of course) to tease humans? That's basically a fairy for you. Aliens require that there exists different planets in the universe, and probably needs a different understanding of relativity, to be plausible. Fairies don't need another planet (since they magically evolved here without leaving a trace, except through "encounters" with humans), but they do need a whole new set of physics (including relativity, because these other "dimensions" are obviously not like the ones we know). If we are to assume that the encounters are based on reality, then hi-tech aliens is a way better explanation than "ultraterrestrials".

Especially hilarious is the idea that they try to manage the Earth by "tagging" humans. Because the best way to fix global warming or whatever is by knowing the whereabouts of a select few individuals, right? Perhaps they are they studying migration patterns... (Aliens could of course also do this, without any need or will to make sure humans don't wreck the planet.)

But I suppose someone always has to go "maybe they are not aliens or fairies, maybe they are... CTHUHLULULULOLZ!" and be serious about it...
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Patrick Degan wrote:Hmm... If anything, it makes a good basis for a horror-SF novel.
I did see a B-movie using the basic premise. These alien sightings a bunch of kids were investigating were actually caused by demons (who were phobic to iron). It was a bit like a Signs-ish thing, but without Mel Gibson and Shamalamadingdong being dumb. The buildup was rather creepy.

Too bad it had shitty special effects.

The movie ended with CG aliens invading the whole place by teleporting through demonic ward-things, from Hell (presumably).
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'Faries = Aliens' was one of the big pillars of Palladium Game's Beyond the Supernatural. Aliens were actually spiritual jesters that would contact humans and give them the experience he/she was expecting. This ranged from friendly ETs talking with the human over tea to horrific anus probing experimentation experiences.
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