Reminder: LHC lights off Sept 10th

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-10 02:03pm

To recreate the CPI scene, they'd need two people to dress as dorks (okay, to dress dorkier) and stand next to an open area of the LHC with no handrails. Their union might have something to say about that.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-09-10 02:08pm

The crazies seem to think a black hole will sink to the center of the Earth and swallow the Earth in 2012

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-10 02:12pm

Kitsune wrote:The crazies seem to think a black hole will sink to the center of the Earth and swallow the Earth in 2012

They're off by a few years. Any black hole the LHC would produce would be microscopic and either vanish before long, or sink to the centre of the Earth and stay there for a very long time before it ever threatened us.

Of course, the chances of such an event even happening aren't making me lose sleep here.

Academia Nut · Post by **Academia Nut** » 2008-09-10 02:20pm

Has anyone checked out Google today? It seems that they decided today was special enough to do a tongue-in-cheek special edition of their front page.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-09-10 02:37pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:They're off by a few years. Any black hole the LHC would produce would be microscopic and either vanish before long, or sink to the centre of the Earth and stay there for a very long time before it ever threatened us.

Of course, the chances of such an event even happening aren't making me lose sleep here.

You got to tie Nostradamus is with the Mayan End of the world with biblical prophecy.......

They are supposedly using his 9:44 passage on the LHC....just kind of curious what was actually written

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2008-09-10 03:05pm

I am so uber geeked by the LHC. I'm hoping they find some really interesting shit in their research.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2008-09-10 03:21pm

I hope they find evidence FTL is possible. I really do, even if the experiment isn't designed for that.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-10 06:47pm

Solauren wrote:I hope they find evidence FTL is possible. I really do, even if the experiment isn't designed for that.

And for an encore, they can get a 100% perfect heat engine too.

Sorry, but nothing is going to say FTL is possible without breaking the universe. It's working fine right now.

Count Chocula · Post by **Count Chocula** » 2008-09-10 08:14pm

Couldn't resist....here's the link to Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun with lyrics:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBszC40uvdQ

These are European scientists, remember. Expect any results to take a very very very long time. They just don't seem to work on the same time scale as American or Japanese scientists.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-09-10 08:46pm

The good news is that we have a powerful ally at CERN should the earth be invaded

The bad news is we should prepare for unforeseen consequences

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2008-09-10 08:55pm

Ender wrote:The good news is that we have a powerful ally at CERN should the earth be invaded

The bad news is we should prepare for unforeseen consequences

Good find Ender.

I hope to see some good results from the LHC. The thing is awesome.

The Vortex Empire · Post by **The Vortex Empire** » 2008-09-10 08:59pm

Well, the Earth hasn't been destroyed, but the Conspiracy nuts wo't give up hope just yet.

Ender wrote:The good news is that we have a powerful ally at CERN should the earth be invaded

The bad news is we should prepare for unforeseen consequences

Those aren't shopped, are they? Either way, I've got a crowbar, I'm ready.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-09-10 09:45pm

The Vortex Empire wrote:Well, the Earth hasn't been destroyed, but the Conspiracy nuts wo't give up hope just yet.

Ender wrote:The good news is that we have a powerful ally at CERN should the earth be invaded

The bad news is we should prepare for unforeseen consequences
Those aren't shopped, are they? Either way, I've got a crowbar, I'm ready.

Apparently they shopped glasses off the guy in the second pic. Other then that those are real.

Singular Intellect · Post by **Singular Intellect** » 2008-09-10 10:45pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Solauren wrote:I hope they find evidence FTL is possible. I really do, even if the experiment isn't designed for that.
And for an encore, they can get a 100% perfect heat engine too.

Sorry, but nothing is going to say FTL is possible without breaking the universe. It's working fine right now.

You would be more accurate if you stated that our current knowledge and understanding of physics and the universe decrees FTL an impossible concept.

It's one thing to make positive statements regarding established theories making specific predictions...quite another to assert the universe somehow bends to our understanding of it.

The universe has historically proven that is more than capable of breaking our theories; no theory has ever 'broken' the universe, and never will since they are merely the best reflection of it possible at the time.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2008-09-10 11:54pm

I thought this might be enjoyed a Layman's explanation of the LHC Linka

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2008-09-11 01:48am

So, we're through Day One of the LHC experiment.

What a nightmare it has been! The Living envy the Dead! Food turns to sand in our mouths, and water to poison!

In all seriousness, I hope they find something cool.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-09-11 05:00am

In a day and age where a fundamentalist makes a good chance to become the next VP of the US, I can only say Go europe!.

Good to see when money is being spent on something usefull.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-09-11 05:13am

Bubble Boy wrote:
You would be more accurate if you stated that our current knowledge and understanding of physics and the universe decrees FTL an impossible concept.

It's one thing to make positive statements regarding established theories making specific predictions...quite another to assert the universe somehow bends to our understanding of it.

The universe has historically proven that is more than capable of breaking our theories; no theory has ever 'broken' the universe, and never will since they are merely the best reflection of it possible at the time.

Nothing has ever happened before the initiator of the event happened. Nothing has ever had more energy come out of it than went in total. There are things we know to be true and give the status of law. Unless you can show how thermodynamics and relativity/causality can be got around, then it's simply impossible, no matter what new physics we find. Learning more about a square peg won't allow you to fit it in a circular hole, so to speak.

Oh, and awesome find, Ender.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-11 05:31am

wautd wrote:In a day and age where a fundamentalist makes a good chance to become the next VP of the US, I can only say Go europe!.

Good to see when money is being spent on something usefull.

It was actually the Democrats who killed the SSC in 1993 * shakes fist *

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-09-11 08:02am

phongn wrote:
wautd wrote:In a day and age where a fundamentalist makes a good chance to become the next VP of the US, I can only say Go europe!.

Good to see when money is being spent on something usefull.
It was actually the Democrats who killed the SSC in 1993 * shakes fist *

My point is that while the US seems sinking away, I'm glad that europe is taking the lead in progress again

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-09-11 08:03am

PS. on another board about evolution, someone was making fun of fundies

"Micro-black holes are possible, but not macro-black holes."

Just had to share. That made my day.

Count Chocula · Post by **Count Chocula** » 2008-09-11 08:34am

I found another layman's 'hood' explanation at Troll Kingdom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

Title: Large Hadron Rap

Really, do any of the doomsayers have any technical training? How the hell can banging protons into each other create a gravity well? Come on.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-09-11 08:46am

How many LHC's could you build with 1 year of Iraq budget?

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-09-11 08:46am

wautd wrote:How many LHC's could you build with 1 year of Iraq war budget?

fixed

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2008-09-11 08:51am

Count Chocula wrote: Really, do any of the doomsayers have any technical training? How the hell can banging protons into each other create a gravity well? Come on.

Well, the Sun's full of protons banging into each other, and the sun's got a huge gravity well...

See the connection?