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Posted: 2003-02-20 02:27pm
by neoolong
TheDarkling wrote:Wasn't pre-BOBW knowledge of the Borg already in existence from Voyager.
The Hansens had heard of the Borg (as had the Federation to a degree) before BOBW, in fact the Hansens even had a model of a cube ship before going on their mission.
Frankly this continuity ship has already sailed its just nobody noticed the error (or I missed something).
When did they start their research?
Posted: 2003-02-20 02:38pm
by Darth Servo
neoolong wrote:TheDarkling wrote:Wasn't pre-BOBW knowledge of the Borg already in existence from Voyager.
The Hansens had heard of the Borg (as had the Federation to a degree) before BOBW, in fact the Hansens even had a model of a cube ship before going on their mission.
Frankly this continuity ship has already sailed its just nobody noticed the error (or I missed something).
When did they start their research?
I believe the Hanson's were assimilated by the borg 18 years before the events of 'Raven' which is pre-TNG.
Posted: 2003-02-20 02:42pm
by TheDarkling
According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.
Posted: 2003-02-20 02:42pm
by Faram
Woo B&B is playing this game:
http://195.92.224.73/j20/content/host.asp
Pissing all over the plaze
Posted: 2003-02-20 02:44pm
by neoolong
TheDarkling wrote:According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.
Alright, that's just dumb.
Posted: 2003-02-20 02:50pm
by Montcalm
TheDarkling wrote:According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.
they were assimilated 8 years before tng but going with the borg 100 years before Kirk its just screwing things up.
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:07pm
by RedImperator
"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:11pm
by TheDarkling
RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:17pm
by Lord Pounder
OK i'm confused so Trek time lines are telling us that they Knew of the Borg before Q made the formal introduction but the federation did nothing untill they actually carved a hole in the E-D's saucer. Ok so either the Federation is the victim of bad writters or assholes in command of the whole shebang.

Posted: 2003-02-20 03:19pm
by RedImperator
TheDarkling wrote:RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:19pm
by TheDarkling
Darth Pounder wrote:OK i'm confused so Trek time lines are telling us that they Knew of the Borg before Q made the formal introduction but the federation did nothing untill they actually carved a hole in the E-D's saucer. Ok so either the Federation is the victim of bad writters or assholes in command of the whole shebang.

Basically B&B already destroyed continuity on this issue this is just wave two of the destruction.
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:21pm
by TheDarkling
RedImperator wrote:TheDarkling wrote:RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?
Obviously none of them answered for the same reasons Guinan didn't before we found out or they simply said an alien race attacked but they don't really know much about them.
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:27pm
by RedImperator
TheDarkling wrote:RedImperator wrote:TheDarkling wrote:
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?
Obviously none of them answered for the same reasons Guinan didn't before we found out or they simply said an alien race attacked but they don't really know much about them.
That's pretty thin. One person not saying anything I can believe. Hundreds of them, that's doubtful. Are you saying the Federation wasn't curious? Didn't interrogate any of them? That they all had an identical lie prepared? Either Generations violates continunity or it badly strains credibility, and with it, suspension of disbelief.
Posted: 2003-02-20 03:33pm
by TheDarkling
Well they weren't numbering in the hundreds after the Nexus got its shot at them and we always knew Guinan wasn't the only one of her kind in Federation space - its a continuity error to a degree but it existed before Generations.
Posted: 2003-02-20 04:18pm
by Dennis Toy
only thing i have to say is....
DAAAOOMMNN!!
Tell you the truth, i knew it would happen, Enterprise is just Voyager 1.5
Posted: 2003-02-20 04:49pm
by Defiant
I refuse to believe it. Its got to be a joke. I just cant accept it. Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.
Posted: 2003-02-20 05:27pm
by Mr Bean
Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.
In a IQ contest between a Rock and B&B
I'd put my money on the rock
Posted: 2003-02-20 05:27pm
by apocolypse
ahhh, but B&B CAN be that stupid.

Posted: 2003-02-20 05:54pm
by RedImperator
Defiant wrote:I refuse to believe it. Its got to be a joke. I just cant accept it. Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.
You know about betting the over/under? Never take the over when you're betting on B&B's IQ or artistic talent.
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:00pm
by Macross
Alyeska wrote:Eh, people... There is no continuity problem here. We have a handful of Drones discovered, a mess ensues, but eventually things are taken care of. Who these people are is never trully discovered and eventually this entire event is forgotten. Then centuries later Q has fun with the Enterprise-D and now they face a Cube and get REAL information on the Borg.
This actually has good continuity to it. It directly ties itself with an alrady established fact from First Contact.
They did the same exact thing with that Ferengi epsiode. A handful of Ferengi show up, a mess ensues, but eventually everything is taken care of, and the event is forgotten...
It didnt work with the Ferengi, and it sure wont work with the Borg.
The show is only in its second season and they are already rehashing their own story ideas....
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:16pm
by Admiral Johnason
I would liek to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:18pm
by Mr Bean
I would liek to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!
Probably everyone invovled in TOS, TNG and probably DS9
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:18pm
by Admiral Johnason
Sorry about the typo. I was trying to say like.
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:19pm
by Montcalm
Admiral Johnason wrote:I would like to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!
Count me in.
Posted: 2003-02-20 06:22pm
by Admiral Johnason
TNG and DS9 need to remain, but everything else goes. I just want to keep FC at the very least.