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tim31 wrote:

Havok wrote:Star Trek is getting great word of mouth. Even some of my biker friends are asking me about it. That is good.

I remember once having been told, when I was about twelve, that it doesn't matter what kind of group it is; there will be a Trekkie hidden amongst them

Aaaand that would be me. If there were more, I would have found out by now.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I said it in the other thread, but my mother who has only seen FIVE movies in the theater since The Fugitive thought it was great. This is a movie only hardcore nerds can hate.

I'm not a nerd and I hate the movie.

that's bullshit, you post on an internet forum

JLTucker wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I said it in the other thread, but my mother who has only seen FIVE movies in the theater since The Fugitive thought it was great. This is a movie only hardcore nerds can hate.

I'm not a nerd and I hate the movie.

Because...

I thought the character stuff at the beginning was pretty good but the actual plot was stupid beyond words and I was bored out of my mind during the last half hour or so.

Uraniun235 wrote:that's bullshit, you post on an internet forum

Seriously. There is this thing called self denial, you should look into it. I work at a Harley shop and ride around with some very... interesting... people. I am perverted, hard drinking, hard riding, biker... and I am a fucking nerd.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

JLTucker wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I said it in the other thread, but my mother who has only seen FIVE movies in the theater since The Fugitive thought it was great. This is a movie only hardcore nerds can hate.

I'm not a nerd and I hate the movie.

Because...

I've already given my reasons in the review thread but I'll post them again with a few more reasons. The movie had cheesy dialogue (the beginning where Kirk is born, and the bit where Uhura goes after Spock after his home planet is destroyed are two examples), too much humor for my tastes, a downright shitty score, lens flares, one annoying character (Scotty). And what about Nero's motive for revenge? It's a fucking cliche. Spock didn't do enough to help my wife and she died! So I am going to make him pay!

Missed the part where Nero also became part of an endangered species as his whole planet and civilization was destroyed did you?

But honestly, you hate almost every movie that comes out. Which is why no one cares what you think or listens to you.

Havok wrote:Missed the part where Nero also became part of an endangered species as his whole planet and civilization was destroyed did you?

Yes, I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. That does make his motive better, but it's still a cliche and I still hate the film.

Havok wrote:But honestly, you hate almost every movie that comes out. Which is why no one cares what you think or listens to you.

Care to back this up? List the movies that have come out that I hate, please. If you can't, then shut the fuck up. And if no one cares what I think, why did Chewie ask why I hated the film?

Havok wrote:Missed the part where Nero also became part of an endangered species as his whole planet and civilization was destroyed did you?

I still don't get how this makes Spock accountable, he did the best he could. Should Spock have blamed Chekov for not saving his mother, when clearly he tried his utmost? It smacks eerily of Nemesis and I especially don't like that.

TithonusSyndrome wrote:

Havok wrote:Missed the part where Nero also became part of an endangered species as his whole planet and civilization was destroyed did you?

I still don't get how this makes Spock accountable, he did the best he could. Should Spock have blamed Chekov for not saving his mother, when clearly he tried his utmost? It smacks eerily of Nemesis and I especially don't like that.

Turns out seeing your homeworld burn to a crisp, doesn't bring out your rational side. Who knew?

Spock already knows and works with Chekov. They took the same oath and serve the same purpose. Nero lost his wife and child. That last word is a force multiplier for revenge motivation. George Kirk sacrificed himself so that his unborn child might live(as well as the other 800 people, but let's not pretend we don't know why he really did it).

As we've covered in other threads, Nero was blind with rage at Spock for his 'broken promise'. After being sucked through to an alt-universe, with no-one but his crew to dissaude him, he stewed in that rage, rather than let it subside. I for one hope to see more on the motivation fleshed out in extended/deleted scenes.

Both seem to be attempts to copy Khan and failing miserably. Nero even stole Khan's brainbugs (although they looked different and went through the mouth.)

When did the suits at Paramount get the impression that Star Trek movies needed a big, over-the-top villain to be successful? The Voyage Home was the most successful Star Trek movie of all time for quite a while after its release and it didn't really have a villain to speak of. The Undiscovered Country was a detective story where the villains weren't revealed until the last act, and while Christopher Plummer's character had a few similarities to Khan in his mannerisms his motivations were completely different.

Then you've got people like Shinzon and Nero who were clearly modelled on Khan but fell flat because, unlike Khan, they didn't have a history with the heroes and a legitimate reason to want revenge.

A 74 kilometre long keg isn't villain enough for you?? Yeah, okay. Point taken, although I personally feel that the Narada looked big and evil enough(ironic, considering its design brief) to cover Nero's lack of built-in villainy. See, Khan was a devious classhole from the get-go. Nero was a family man-in-waiting who lost everything. Private Janovic came across as a young upstart whom nobody could believe had risen to his position, and should have had red hair.

The whalesong probe was just a plot device, not a villain. In terms of the story it would have been no different than if the heroes were trying to stop a storm or an earthquake. Although finding a reason why an earthquake can only be stopped by dropping whales on it would be a bit more difficult. It would've been well worth the effort, though.

Sarcasm = clearly lost on you

Anyway I'd like to see someone use a narrative to find a way to talk to a storm or earthquake and tell it to piss off.

tim31 wrote:Sarcasm = clearly lost on you

I couldn't pass up the chance to talk about stopping earthquakes by dropping whales on them.

I loved the Narada, but does anyone else think that it was heavily similar to recent (last ten years or so) sci-fi ship designs of "big spiny metal-tentacle black thing", especially Shadow vessels from B5?

JLTucker wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I said it in the other thread, but my mother who has only seen FIVE movies in the theater since The Fugitive thought it was great. This is a movie only hardcore nerds can hate.

I'm not a nerd and I hate the movie.

You must be one of those "dickheads" Leonard Nimoy spoke of

Battlehymn Republic wrote:I loved the Narada, but does anyone else think that it was heavily similar to recent (last ten years or so) sci-fi ship designs of "big spiny metal-tentacle black thing", especially Shadow vessels from B5?

When I rewatched it last night with a friend who hadn't seen it, he asked me, 'is that a borg ship?' Legitimate question.

Battlehymn Republic wrote:I loved the Narada, but does anyone else think that it was heavily similar to recent (last ten years or so) sci-fi ship designs of "big spiny metal-tentacle black thing", especially Shadow vessels from B5?

It looks sort of like a Shadow vessel tentacle-raped the enemy ship from Galaxy Quest.

It looks like someone took a photo of a pile of girders and photoshopped it onto a failed game of Jenga.

This is not a compliment.

Stark wrote:It looks like someone took a photo of a pile of girders and photoshopped it onto a failed game of Jenga.

This is not a compliment.

I thought it looked like one of those junk food 'blooming' fried onions they sell at county fairs.

I'm taking my four-year-old to the flick this weekend...add $20 to the box office total.

Thanks for the spoilers!

Looks like it officially has legs!