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Raesene wrote:Can this thread be moved moved to the history forum to be archived, at least until the pictures won't be shown anymore ?

That's up to the mods, but I'm not planning on taking the pictures down from my Flickr account or changing the set these are linked to, so they should remain visible indefinitely. In fact, I'll eventually adding a link to the set containing all of the pictures that I took aside from the 300 or so I have here. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I don't know how moving it to the history forum gives it any more stay value since this isn't testing where the threads autodelete.

i think the second of the two ships without a place card is the HMS Dreadnaught. I can't see the turret details well enough to be sure.

Simplicius wrote:Second one looks like HMS Dreadnought to me. Same 12pdr arrangement, and Bellerophon had a large mainmast which Dreadnought lacked.

Were there any flags on the model in the first photo?

Edit: Never mind - I think the first photo is a model of Dante Alighieri.

That it is, the turret arrangement was only ever used by one other class the Russian Izmails’, none of which were completed. The Italian ship can be recognized by its two pairs of twinned funnels, and the presence (you can barely make them out here) of four small twin secondary turrets beside A and Y turrets. An Izmail meanwhile has a huge mass of much more obvious hull casemates stacked in two levels around the bow. Dante Alighieri has only a few smaller casemates in a single level.

I'm pretty sure from that the other model is indeed Dreadnought but its been a while since my last visit.

Did someone say Izmail?

BTW, the other model is, beyond any shadow of a doubt, HMS Dreadnought.
The rig, in conjunction with the turret layout, is totally unique.

If only they had just invented super-firing turrets.

Yep, definitely the Dante Alighieri. All the Russian four-triple-turret, no-superimposed ships had a funnel between the No.2 and No.3 turrets. The sole other non-superimposed four triple turret ship was the Dante Alighieri, see here:



Most importantly she was the first ship with triple turrets ever built, and the New Jersey also had triple turrets, so I see the relevance of including her in the exhibit; they showed the first dreadnought, HMS Dreadnought herself, and the first dreadnought with triple turrets, the Dante Alighieri, to illustrate the lineage leading up to the New Jersey.

If only they had just invented super-firing turrets.

The Italians did go to superfiring turrets with their next battleship Conte di Cavour, though I would hardly call that arrangement a significant improvement, mounting the same guns as Dante in two 3-gun turrets at the ends with a 2-gun turret superfiring over each of those, plus another 3-gun turret amidships for a total of 13 guns. They must really have wanted that one extra gun very badly to go for such a complicated arrangement rather than simply use four 3-gun turrets in superfiring pairs. Perhaps they were aiming to outdo Austria-Hungary's Tegetthoff class which was under construction at the same time as Cavour and also had a superfiring 4 x 3 arrangement (of course those ships were much smaller than Cavour and had too many guns for their size, so were plagued by stability problems).

Frank Hipper wrote:Did someone say Izmail?

BTW, the other model is, beyond any shadow of a doubt, HMS Dreadnought.
The rig, in conjunction with the turret layout, is totally unique.

Yours? <points to beautiful model above>

FSTargetDrone wrote:Yours? <points to beautiful model above>

It's incomplete, and I haven't touched it in two weeks...damned new broadband, damned new satelite TV...

The local contest is October 24th, I should have it and a couple others done by then, with appropriate photos.

Frank Hipper wrote:

FSTargetDrone wrote:Yours? <points to beautiful model above>

It's incomplete, and I haven't touched it in two weeks...damned new broadband, damned new satelite TV...

The local contest is October 24th, I should have it and a couple others done by then, with appropriate photos.

Ah, well do post them in AMP.

Nice thing about winter, it's about the time of year when I get interested in modeling again. There are just too many distractions during the summer and I'm inside a lot more, of course.