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Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-02 10:26pm
by Galvatron
Havok wrote:Galactic_Juggernaut wrote:The thing about it is that it houses World Devastators, cloning facilities, super-accelerated growth (I.E. Palpatine Clones) of the clones and training facilities, so while might have a rather small wing and small troops (however highly efficient state-of-the-art these star-fighters and troops may be) to fit these other things, it can replenish all it's forces after having lost them to battle, by rebuilding every ship and cloning every soldier/pilot and retraining the clones, the World Devastators supply it indefinitely, and it's hypermatter ultra-reactor core is fully sustained by the Momma Devastator, so the entire SDS is self-sustaining and requires zero maintenance and costs nothing except the initial cost of building it, an initial cost, I might add, which stripped the resources of entire planets using the Momma Devastator and the World Devastators, built by Byss.
And as for what it does, it can infiltrate a planet and either conquer it using it's entire fleet several times over again after it's been destroyed and remade within the Death Star using the World Devastators, until the planet runs out of options and surrenders, or it can just destroy the planet all-together with it's ultralaser.
Palpatine will conquer not just those extra-galactic civilizations, but every civilization it comes across. And if it meets a fleet or civilization that proves too dangerous for the SDS, the Emperor has grown exponentially stronger in the Dark Side, his Force Storms cannot be stopped and they will consume any opposition.
The Galactic Empire would be foolish not to fund this ultra-weapon because with each new civilization that is conquered, the Galactic Empire gains it's resources and is strengthened economically. But eventually Palpatine has other plans, he has discovered immortality via the same Midi-chlorian manipulation his Sith Master, Darth Plagueis, discovered, and when he finds a suitable host somewhere outside the Galaxy, he will begin a breeding program using the Midi-chlorians to conceive one generation after another and eventually evolve a super race of beings so strong in the Force that the SDS will be an after-thought. They will discover abilities in the Dark Side so ferocious and so unnatural, that they will have never contemplated or realized by the Emperor or any previous Sith in the History of the Galaxy.
What? Are you fucking serious with this or are you just pulling everyone's legs?
If you are serious, please stick around for a while.

I don't know about you, but reading all that just made me spontaneously jizz all over my screen. I didn't even have to touch myself.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-02 11:21pm
by Havok
Well at least he can't be accused of minimalism.
OK, OK, except for the fighter wings Stark.

Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-03 12:46am
by Lord Pounder
Wasn't there already a ship called The Eye of Palpatine? In The Children of the Jedi?
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-03 01:44am
by Lord Revan
Lord Pounder wrote:Wasn't there already a ship called The Eye of Palpatine? In The Children of the Jedi?
IIRC yeah, granted it's been a while since I read the book and it's one of those EU books I'd rather forget, it was some sort of death star-lite (smaller and without the superlaser, but with enough troops and firepower to take down planets (well would have had if not for it taking so long to activate that all the orginal troopers and crew had died and were replaced with what ever the stations AI could find with less then optimal results)).
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-03 12:44pm
by Abacus
Personally I think this is a waste of money. I'd much rather use those resources to build more ISDs or SSDs.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-04 03:01pm
by Simon_Jester
Galactic_Juggernaut wrote:And as for what it does, it can infiltrate a planet and either conquer it using it's entire fleet several times over again after it's been destroyed and remade within the Death Star using the World Devastators, until the planet runs out of options and surrenders, or it can just destroy the planet all-together with it's ultralaser.
So why does this all have to be done off one improbably large Death Star? Why not just build a DS-I, a squadron of
Executor-sized carriers, troopships, and such, and a squadron of World Devastators, which are after all capable of independent FTL travel? The combined task force would be enormously cheaper and still capable of carrying out all the same missions. In addition, it could carry out still other missions such as... being in more than one place at a time. Which one Death Star, no matter how large, cannot do.
What's the
point of all the ironmongery here, strategically? Remember that you do not build a bigger ship purely for the sake of having a bigger ship, unless you are an idiot or suffering from deep psychological problems.
This reminds me of a quote from Star Control 2, where the captain of a very powerful ship is trying to convince an alien species to ally with him to defeat a powerful enemy:
The Captain:
"Of course we're strong enough to beat the Ur-Quan! Look at our ship! Is it not unique?"
The Spathi High Council:
"Yes, your vessel is unique, and here is the crux of the problem. A "Unique," meaning singular, starship is is not equal to the task of defeating the entire Ur-Quan Armada. Now, if you had, say, ten thousand similar starships, we could take your boasts more seriously."
This problem is not best solved by beefing up the
unique starship.
GJ wrote:Palpatine will conquer not just those extra-galactic civilizations, but every civilization it comes across. And if it meets a fleet or civilization that proves too dangerous for the SDS, the Emperor has grown exponentially stronger in the Dark Side, his Force Storms cannot be stopped and they will consume any opposition.
I can think of very good reasons to believe this is not true. Arisians from the
Lensman series, for example, can render this weapon useless and proceed to twist Palpatine's mind into a comical pretzel shape because they dislike his politics.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-04 04:20pm
by Galvatron
Abacus wrote:Personally I think this is a waste of money. I'd much rather use those resources to build more ISDs or SSDs.
What good will that do against a heavily shielded planet?
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-04 04:53pm
by Simon_Jester
This thing's weight in ISDs could definitely blow apart an unshielded planet with a sustained barrage. Unless planetary shields normally take several orders of magnitude more than the planet's gravitational binding energy to crack, I'd expect the ISDs to work out pretty well as an alternative.
You know, I thought of a reason for the ridiculously small fighter and escort complements: the C3I problem created by trying to coordinate an escort of size appropriate to something this absurd would be... way out of hand. Imagine being the flight controller for a million TIEs...
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 12:41am
by JGregory32
The thing about it is that it houses World Devastators, cloning facilities, super-accelerated growth (I.E. Palpatine Clones) of the clones and training facilities, so while might have a rather small wing and small troops (however highly efficient state-of-the-art these star-fighters and troops may be) to fit these other things, it can replenish all it's forces after having lost them to battle, by rebuilding every ship and cloning every soldier/pilot and retraining the clones, the World Devastators supply it indefinitely, and it's hypermatter ultra-reactor core is fully sustained by the Momma Devastator, so the entire SDS is self-sustaining and requires zero maintenance and costs nothing except the initial cost of building it, an initial cost, I might add, which stripped the resources of entire planets using the Momma Devastator and the World Devastators, built by Byss.
And as for what it does, it can infiltrate a planet and either conquer it using it's entire fleet several times over again after it's been destroyed and remade within the Death Star using the World Devastators, until the planet runs out of options and surrenders, or it can just destroy the planet all-together with it's ultralaser.
Palpatine will conquer not just those extra-galactic civilizations, but every civilization it comes across. And if it meets a fleet or civilization that proves too dangerous for the SDS, the Emperor has grown exponentially stronger in the Dark Side, his Force Storms cannot be stopped and they will consume any opposition.
The Galactic Empire would be foolish not to fund this ultra-weapon because with each new civilization that is conquered, the Galactic Empire gains it's resources and is strengthened economically. But eventually Palpatine has other plans, he has discovered immortality via the same Midi-chlorian manipulation his Sith Master, Darth Plagueis, discovered, and when he finds a suitable host somewhere outside the Galaxy, he will begin a breeding program using the Midi-chlorians to conceive one generation after another and eventually evolve a super race of beings so strong in the Force that the SDS will be an after-thought. They will discover abilities in the Dark Side so ferocious and so unnatural, that they will have never contemplated or realized by the Emperor or any previous Sith in the History of the Galaxy.
The sheer levels of FAIL this thing gives off is astonishing.
if it meets a fleet or civilization that proves too dangerous for the SDS, the Emperor has grown exponentially stronger in the Dark Side, his Force Storms cannot be stopped and they will consume any opposition.
Dear God what is this guy smoking and why isn't he sharing?
You do know that's basically impossible right?
But eventually Palpatine has other plans, he has discovered immortality via the same Midi-chlorian manipulation his Sith Master, Darth Plagueis, discovered
The same immortality that Palpatine killed his immortal master for? The immortality that never seems to work?
Really I could do this all night long, but why hog all the fun?
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 02:20am
by Ritterin Sophia
Galvatron wrote:Abacus wrote:Personally I think this is a waste of money. I'd much rather use those resources to build more ISDs or SSDs.
What good will that do against a heavily shielded planet?
With the amount of resources invested in this you could have countless fleets of individual ships that could overcome planetary defenses through sheer volume of fire, and they have the benefit of being to deploy to more than one place at a time.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 07:01am
by Bounty
But can it win against a Constitution Class starship?
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 10:38am
by Teleros
Simon_Jester wrote:You know, I thought of a reason for the ridiculously small fighter and escort complements: the C3I problem created by trying to coordinate an escort of size appropriate to something this absurd would be... way out of hand. Imagine being the flight controller for a million TIEs...
*Points to the Z9M9Z*
C3I shouldn't be a problem to be honest.
General Schatten wrote:With the amount of resources invested in this you could have countless fleets of individual ships that could overcome planetary defenses through sheer volume of fire, and they have the benefit of being to deploy to more than one place at a time.
It depends more on the proportion of Imperial resources used to build it, and how many ships you already have. If this is built at a time when you have enough ISDs etc already, and costs just a very small fraction of your total military spending, why not? It's certainly good from a prestige & superweapon point of view, and will save having to concentrate a ton of ships just to nail a single planet.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 12:22pm
by Simon_Jester
Teleros wrote:*Points to the Z9M9Z*
C3I shouldn't be a problem to be honest.
Oh, it can be
done, certainly. But you'd need that level of dedicated command and control capability, and the Galactic Empire has never really shown evidence of being willing or able to do something like that.
Their model of how to organize a military is too heavily based on top-down direction, enforced as brutally as possible*. There's too much "never mind the situation on the ground, follow your orders!" They'd have to revise their political culture, or keep it the hell away from military culture like they ought to, in order to make something like the
Directrix possible. And if they were inclined to build something this ludicrous, this over-gunned, this "Look at me, aren't I massive, aren't I brutal?" in the first place... that's obviously a sign that Palpatinism has sunk
deeper into their military doctrine.
Which, to my way of thinking, would be strong evidence for them being even less capable of
Directrix-grade coordination than I'd expect from the real timeline. They'd never be able to coordinate a screen commensurate with the tonnage of a monster like this, or they wouldn't even want to
build the monster in the first place.
*Not as brutally as necessary, as brutally as
possible.
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 02:18pm
by SapphireFox
Bounty wrote:But can it win against a Constitution Class starship?
I knew someone forgot to
seal close that thermal exhaust port!

Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 02:54pm
by Darth Nostril
Is there a point to this massive steaming pile of fanwank ?
Or is the OP just that into public masturbation?
Re: Super Death Star - The Eye of Palpatine
Posted: 2010-03-05 07:31pm
by Channel72
When would the Empire even have the time to build this? Didn't they last only like 5 years after they built the first Death Star?