Metro 2033

[Stark]

I'm hoping in the book there's some explanation for the Dark Ones having a giant blob city on the surface, and everyone knowing about it, even though nobody knows what's happening, though.

[Zixinus]

Are you kidding man? All Metros in the USSR were made as bomb and nuclear shelters.

Wait, what? Seriously? That's just so odd. I heard that Stalin built himself a really big bunker but making the entire Metro double as a nuclear bunker?

Could you please tell me more about this?

Communism is very popular in Russia, so the "Red Line" is perhaps one of the more realistic nation states (far more so than "Polis") - the only more real ones are the bandit thug commanded "stations" on the orange line. Neo-Nazis are on the rise after the collapse of USSR (Russian Neo-Nazis do sound very odd, but I'm sure you can find ones in Hungary as well), so them having one station under control is likewise no wonder.

My point wasn't with the ideals specifically: its just that these people have the time and resources to wage war on another under such conditions. I am aware that Neo-Nazi movement is popular in some countries still. I also imagined that arm-factory workers have a different view of communism than the people that suffered more from it, although I think that I may have confused something.

I recall dialog mentioning that the Armoury is right below an arms factory and its workers went to the Armoury when the bomb fell. When you are told to go to the Armoury you inevitably get into the Red station. In the Red station, there are the largest and best shops as well (this is where you get the Stealth or Armour suit for one). However, I suspect that there may have been another cut here.

There are some other differences from the book, chiefly in day/night changing (in the book, the DAY is too dangerous to rise to the surface, in the game, it's the night).

Why are the days dangerous? Because of the bitches demons?

As an aside, the "Bad Missile Ending" is the official novel ending (the Dark Ones are wiped out with a missile strike). It's also not clear from the novel if the Dark Ones are good or bad, if it's true that they're "good" or they're brainwashing Artyom into doing their bidding (since they've mindfucked a hell lot of people). The game's unambigious on that, I suppose.

Not for me. My impression is that the game presents them trying to contact Artym and trying to make him understand their viewpoint rather than brainwash him. Also, that there is division in their ranks: there is someone that supports Artym (then again, the dream sequences are confusing).
Spoiler

If you decided to save them, its implied that they want peace and don't want to kill the rest of humanity. It is also implied by some of the whispers that other humans can't hear and understand them, but for some reason, Artym does. The mindfuckery could be them trying to contact the people there and somehow failing for reasons they themselves don't understand.

I'll see whether I can get the book. They certainly sound interesting.

[K. A. Pital]

Are you kidding man? All Metros in the USSR were made as bomb and nuclear shelters.

Wait, what? Seriously? That's just so odd. I heard that Stalin built himself a really big bunker but making the entire Metro double as a nuclear bunker?

Could you please tell me more about this?

Tell you about what, any and all underground facilities being Civil Defence objects in case of a mass or rogue WMD attack, etc. etc.? That's common knowledge, but the Metros in large Soviet cities were bomb shelters in the Great Patriotic War, and continued to have this function in the nuclear war age. All stations have blast doors between them and between the surface and underground, one pair above another one below, there are air filters in the system allowing for a week's function in radioactive contaminated environment. The Metro also has closed tonnel links to other Civil Defence objects - common underground shelters, encased rivers, etc.

My point wasn't with the ideals specifically: its just that these people have the time and resources to wage war on another under such conditions. I am aware that Neo-Nazi movement is popular in some countries still. I also imagined that arm-factory workers have a different view of communism than the people that suffered more from it, although I think that I may have confused something.

I'm not an arm-factory worker, but I do have a different view of communism in Russia. That aside, war in resource-hungry small communities (effectively tribes) is not unrealistic if we at least allow the existence of the basic premise. Why? Well, because when the initial food supplies run out there's a huge excess of men. How to feed them all? That's impossible. Conflict for resources starts immediately and 70% of survivors die in wars, gang conflicts (essentially the wars in Metro ARE gang conflicts), etc.

I recall dialog mentioning that the Armoury is right below an arms factory and its workers went to the Armoury when the bomb fell. When you are told to go to the Armoury you inevitably get into the Red station. In the Red station, there are the largest and best shops as well (this is where you get the Stealth or Armour suit for one). However, I suspect that there may have been another cut here.

The Red line was specified as contracting the best engineers in the Metro (from the Armory Bridge station). So that's pretty in line with the novel.

Because of the bitches demons?

There are no demons, only the biological weapon the USA dumped on the Kremlin. The day is dangerous because all the other time, the crap mutants above are less active. Only during the day all of them are at peak activity. Or so it said in the book.

Not for me. My impression is that the game presents them trying to contact Artym and trying to make him understand their viewpoint rather than brainwash him. Also, that there is division in their ranks: there is someone that supports Artym (then again, the dream sequences are confusing).

In the novel, it was hinted that they are capable of brainwashing people; also, Hunter apparently died in battle with them or something. I'm not sure what exactly is the current status in the Metro novels; apparently the author ressurected Hunter.

[Zixinus]

Tell you about what, any and all underground facilities being Civil Defence objects in case of a mass or rogue WMD attack, etc. etc.? That's common knowledge,

That is common knowledge for you, because you are Russian. It is not for me. I did not see airlocks and blast doors when I was in the London and Budapest metro system. Hence my surprise.

There are no demons, only the biological weapon the USA dumped on the Kremlin.

I know (although I didn't know that those things were biological weapons). You'll get the reference once you get along with Bourbon in the game.

[Stark]

Zinx I don't think you know what he means. And you can look the blast doors u on wiki.

Stas, so far the novel makes the metro dangerous in a far more 'mystical' way than the massive mutant population in the game. Also, I think Ive worked out what the Dark Ones are, lol.

[K. A. Pital]

Tell you about what, any and all underground facilities being Civil Defence objects in case of a mass or rogue WMD attack, etc. etc.? That's common knowledge,

That is common knowledge for you, because you are Russian. It is not for me. I did not see airlocks and blast doors when I was in the London and Budapest metro system. Hence my surprise.

This is nothing strange - London and Budapest metros are very old and hence designed without nuclear or conventional bomb sheltering in mind.

[Aaron]

So you've read the novel then Stas, is it decent?

[K. A. Pital]

So you've read the novel then Stas, is it decent?

I've actually recommended it on this very forum as a decent read and translated the first chapter.