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El Moose Monstero wrote:On reflection, the main problem of this episode for me was that it doesn't really stand up when you stop and think about it - yes, they're torturing an innocent lifeform for their own ends, but it's hardly the worst thing we've ever seen anyone do, and you would think that there'd be a good number of the population on Starship UK who'd just shrug their shoulders and go 'fuck the whale, I want to live'.
At least 99% of the population did just that when they hit the "Forget" button every five years. As I understand it, if 1% of the population hit the "Protest" button the whale would have been released.

So, is the disaster that caused the population of the UK to evacuate to this spaceship the same one that prompted the rest of humanity to convert Nerva Beacon into the Space Ark?
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Drooling Iguana wrote:
So, is the disaster that caused the population of the UK to evacuate to this spaceship the same one that prompted the rest of humanity to convert Nerva Beacon into the Space Ark?
Given the similar time periods, that's most probably the case.

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The Doctor has picked up folks and dropped them off in different times before I believe so I suppose he could do the same with Amy Pond. That said, I'm hoping she sticks around for a few seasons rather than have to go through another assistant next year. Although if that happens I suspect this marriage wont happen. Cant have a married woman running around with the Doctor now can we ?

Wheres the potential for fans to speculate about her going with the Doctor and the obvious fact that the Doctor can easily fuck up, causing her to arrive when her husband is dead etc.
Incidentally, I found the bit where she asked if he was a father pointlessly stupid for the fact he only had to give a YES or a NO. Instead its a... oh look distraction.
Sorry, fuckers its already been established the Doctor was A) Married and B) Had children so is there any particular reason for him not to confirm this ?

The situation with his 'name' was pretty bad in season 4. Oh noes... someone knows my name....!
To be honest, at the rate this is going I'm expecting his name to be.... Jesus

Interestingly enough, Planet of the Dead had the Doctor comment as if he was there but I'm doubtful Doctor Who has the balls to try something so overt. Perhaps one day the Doctor will pickup a companion that will want to go back to a certain date in history....
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El Moose Monstero wrote: At least 99% of the population did just that when they hit the "Forget" button every five years. As I understand it, if 1% of the population hit the "Protest" button the whale would have been released.
However if you press "Protest" you get another two choices - be eaten or maybe forget if you escape the first option. Seemed to me like the Queen was the only one who could actually release the thing.

Looking forward to next week though. Everything else aside, I love the fact that the Daleks aren't shiny gold.
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I learned something today that rather coloured my opinion of this episode.

Apparently, "The Beast Below" is what Tom Baker calls his penis. :shock:
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Too much information!

Plus, I like the idea a few posts back about Amy not being given a date of death. Strikes me as significant, in one of those small ways that nuwho is sometimes. Little background things you don't notice until muhc later

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andrewgpaul wrote:I learned something today that rather coloured my opinion of this episode.

Apparently, "The Beast Below" is what Tom Baker calls his penis. :shock:
Where on earth did you hear that? What a disturbing thought!
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Srelex wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:
So, is the disaster that caused the population of the UK to evacuate to this spaceship the same one that prompted the rest of humanity to convert Nerva Beacon into the Space Ark?
Given the similar time periods, that's most probably the case.

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Done.

Nerva beacon were the best and brightest. This lot (and the other flying nations) were apparently left behind.

Which probably explains their randomly enslaving space whales.
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I'm really enjoying Matt Smith as the Doctor. 8)

The crack in the universe appears on the hull of Starship UK. I guess this is the running schtick for Series 5. Wonder what it could be?

I also remembered The Ark in Space/The Sontaran Experiment when they mentioned solar flares on Earth in the 29th Century.
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Darth Lucifer wrote:I'm really enjoying Matt Smith as the Doctor. 8)

The crack in the universe appears on the hull of Starship UK. I guess this is the running schtick for Series 5. Wonder what it could be?

I also remembered The Ark in Space/The Sontaran Experiment when they mentioned solar flares on Earth in the 29th Century.
That was something I noticed and had to check, a nice nod to the original 'timeline' such as it was. I have to say I am REALLY getting tired of every 'spaceship' we run across being some dank, run down, damp, filthy dreary place. I mean all through the 70's and 80's the stereotype was gleaming spaceships with flashy lights, well it seems we have gone too far back the other way.

I liked the reveal that the "Space Whale" was there to help of its own free will and that basically they were torturing it needlessly, though seriously wouldn't they have been able to figure that out on their own over the several hundred years they have been traveling? And the fact that all they did was basically build their city on the back of the whale? the thing wasn't even fully enclosed? Your telling me no one has been outside in a ship or a maintaince pod and looked around and said "hey what is that!"
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Crossroads Inc. wrote: I liked the reveal that the "Space Whale" was there to help of its own free will and that basically they were torturing it needlessly, though seriously wouldn't they have been able to figure that out on their own over the several hundred years they have been traveling? And the fact that all they did was basically build their city on the back of the whale? the thing wasn't even fully enclosed? Your telling me no one has been outside in a ship or a maintaince pod and looked around and said "hey what is that!"
The airlocks probably have a "Forget" button to open the door back in.
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Done.

Nerva beacon were the best and brightest. This lot (and the other flying nations) were apparently left behind.

Which probably explains their randomly enslaving space whales.
I thought they mentioned that the other nations already got their own ships. It seemed that Britain (minus scotland) were late starters.

However I wouldn't look down on the nations not on Nerva. From the "Sontaron experiment" they forged and empire, and from "Ark in space" we know they defeated the Wirrn.
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2.

It's a fun story at first, but when you start thinking about it nothing makes sense. Let's start with the beginning, shall we?

The Macguffin of the story is the little boy who is sent "below" because he didn't do his work right and is going to be punished. At the end of the episode, though, we find that the Space Whale specifically does not eat children, and that all the children are hanging out at the bottom of the ship happy as can be. So why send the little buggers down there in the first place? I'd be willing to excuse one stupid plot device as a necessary evil, but every damn part of this episode falls apart when you think about it, and this just gets the ball rolling.

Next: the Smilies. Why? Police State, I get. People being watched, I get. But why the fucking smilies? Why were they built/maintained? Who thought it was a good idea to put these things together and what could they possibly have been thinking that made it seem like a good idea?

Next: The Queen. Why does she need to forget? She certainly seems to handle the pain decently enough at the end of the story (as does her adviser), and this forced choice of "Either you forget or KILL EVERYONE!!!" is more than a wee bit contrived.

Next: The Space Whale. So this whale comes along to help Britain in its time of need. (Contrived, sure, but this is Doctor Who so it's forgiven, and I think every true Who fan is a sucker for this sort of thing.) The Whale wants to keep them alive and on the move going to destinations unknown, even though the people on the ship put it through excruciating torture. So why is the whale sending those tendrils up through the ship and seemingly trying to break the ship apart? And why does it willingly eat people, even though it wont eat children? Fuck if we know.

Finally: The constant forgetting. Contrived as all fuck, a straight up lie in the story, ("You can protest! Sure! Just hit the Protest Button! We'll listen to you... as a giant space whale eats your guts." Though I did catch there being a "remember" button in the voting room as well, so maybe there was more here than meets the eye.) and unnecessary in the end. Why not just automatically wipe every citizens brain of all knowledge regarding the space whale and be done with it? Same logic, same result, no need for the asinine police state.

All that said, it was certainly much more enjoyable on average than the last two years of Doctor Who. I'm also really liking how this new Doctor is shaping up, and his presence makes a lot of this episode tolerable. (I'm a huge fan of the "This wont be big on dignity." line.)

So, yeah.Iffy story, shitty setting, mediocre plot, horrible second third. 2/5.
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Straha wrote:Though I did catch there being a "remember" button in the voting room as well, so maybe there was more here than meets the eye.)


Actually it was a 'Record' button, which served no function whatsoever other than to explain how Amy was able to record a message to herself. Which itself served no function other than to have the Doctor throw a nonsensical hissy fit. What makes it even dumber is that the 'Truth' is NOT so bad that she cannot go on living with the knowledge, so why the hell press the 'Forget' button in the first place? Why the recorded message? At the time I thought it was because the truth was so Lovecraftian nightmarish that no one could cope with it, but it wasn't. So Amy recording a message and then pressing the forget button was just retarded in the extreme.
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Just watched it again. I'm a total sap when it comes to that ending.

The third voting booth button was 'Record' though not 'Remember'

I'm stuck again by just how good Matt Smith, I especially enjoyed his excuse for the glass of water. "There's an escaped Fish. Checking everywhere. Can't be too careful'
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Smeh, it's a contrived plot point

As I recall the Queen said something about "everyone else had gone and we were desparate, and the whale couldnt bear to watch children cry"

Maybe the government tried building a normal ship but overran on the budget as usual. Fuckers
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Revy wrote: At the time I thought it was because the truth was so Lovecraftian nightmarish that no one could cope with it, but it wasn't. So Amy recording a message and then pressing the forget button was just retarded in the extreme.
I'm usually slow, so maybe I completely misinterpreted, but what I gathered was that the Sun went nova, the Earth burned, and humanity faced catastrophe and extinction before super space whale came out of nowhere and said, Hey, guys, hop on, and this information is among the sum total Miss Pond learns when looking at the screen. If I'm right, that would be pretty Lovecraftian nightmarish* as far as a species as human-centric as humans are would be concerned. Maybe. I dunno. I have no idea how I would react.

*Yeah, I know that wouldn't go anywhere near the crazy stuff that Mr. Lovecraft described, but my point is as far as a human would be concerned, humanity screaming on a doomed, burning planet would be more than enough.
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Ah, the sun didn't go nova, it can't because its the wrong type of star. The humans were fleeing because of solar flare activity.
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El Moose Monstero wrote: I get that lots of death has become the norm, but to be honest, I didn't even notice that noone had died in the last two episodes, and certainly didn't miss it.


In "The Eleventh Hour" I doubt Dr. Ramsden or her colleagues and patients got out of that hospital ward alive after Prisoner Zero snaked into it (you don't see them again and the music is sinister).
In the context of the previous series, the 'everybody lives' ending of the gas mask episode was awesome, but the emphasis on the lack of death lost something by repetition in the library episodes.


On the flipside there seemed to genuine tension and menace when we saw all those thousands of Daleks in the closing seconds of "Bad Wolf" (but RTD's Hovering Legions of Doom were met with increasing ho-hums by the time we saw that plot device again in "The End of Time").
It wasn't registered in these two episodes, and wasn't made a big thing of, so if he can tell good Doctor Who stories without necessarily needing to rack up a bodycount, then I'm all for it.
I agree the quality of the story should not be attributed to the amount of extras and supporting characters who are killed off, however that said low to zero fatalities could be a creative handicap that's going too far in the other direction, with no balance established (though we're only two episodes into Moffat's season, too early to form a fair opinion). However episodes where few to no people ultimately died after the timeline was restored did not stop them from being very dark and suspenseful, with the Doctor getting killed in the broken timeline ("Father's Day" and "Turn Left").

Moffat's better stories have death in them, he just treats death differently - the Weeping Angels did not kill their victims per se, but they still just as effectively nullified them by confining them to die in the distant past, so there was still tension and threat (and if they seized the TARDIS, the solar system would've imploded). "The Girl in the Fireplace" had the strong threat of death with those clockwork droids and people were killed enmasse by them just before the episode started, while Madame de Pompadour dying off screen (whether through illness, accident or court intrigue) was a horrid slap in the face. "The Beast Below" in comparison felt kinda of defanged and cosy for a story about a dystopian dieselpunk space city(though Doctor Who shouldn't be too much like Babylon 5 or Farscape).
On reflection, the main problem of this episode for me was that it doesn't really stand up when you stop and think about it - yes, they're torturing an innocent lifeform for their own ends, but it's hardly the worst thing we've ever seen anyone do, and you would think that there'd be a good number of the population on Starship UK who'd just shrug their shoulders and go 'fuck the whale, I want to live'.
"The Beast Below" as second episodes go it is certainly better than "Tooth and Claw" and "The Shakespeare Code", but I did not like it as much as "The End of the World" and (controversially) "The Fires of Pompeii", I'd give it a fairly solid 7/10, but again mainly for the witty Moffat dialogue, the dieselpunk space setting, a few cleaver plot twists, the way the episode led into next week's, and the minty freshness of the 11th Doctor. And I felt that Smilers were little more than scowling window dressing and Terrance Hardiman was wasted (he was the motherfucking Demon Headmaster you know).
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On retrospect, they should have cut the learning and forgetting sequence much shorter and let us speculate what she was reacting to instead of seeing the reflection in Amy's eyes. It would have made the reveal work better if it wasn't built up as it was.
As for the protesting- No one, aside from the queen, really had the option to really protest. Protest was 'suicide by whale' and not an actual choice with impact.
Only the queen has a choice.

Completely unrelated to the content of the episode but to the series itself, does it seem like Karen Gillan loses her accent from time to time and slips into an American midwestern (IE- standard news presenter) one for a few words? She does it during the confidential episodes as well. I wonder if that's a result of her training as an actress. In any case, it's a very interesting little dialect she's created, and I think it works for the character, with her imposed 'otherness' both with her being a scot in britain and keeping her accent, but also with her fixation on the doctor.
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I liked the episode, but because of the Doctor and Amy being generally much cooler than they were last week (where 11 was a bit undefined and pseudo-10-ish and Amy was just a bit blank). I thought some of the foreshadowing was promising and I liked the ending, even if you may say it was a copout, and I thought the middle was mediocore rather than awful (which isn't to say it couldn't have been better; the Queen was really annoying and the Smilers were crap monsters).

However I've got to agree with some of Straha's points. At the end the Starwhale is revealed to be practically angelic in temperament, I don't know many people who'd keep carrying the guys who tortured it for three hundred years around on its back, but for those three hundred years it's been eating people. And it knows that those are people that it's eating because it won't eat the children. On my part this is mainly a thematic complaint because it kind of doesn't jive with how nice the whale is at the end even if you argue that it considers the adults liable and therefore edible. I suppose it could just be that it's so hungry and in so much pain that it will eat the adults but even with all that it can't bear to hurt a child, but it's never really hinted that it's eating of humans is anything to be remarked on.

I think the Queen's having to forget was actually quite understandable; she was maintaining her composure in that message to herself, but that was shortly after she'd made the decision, and she was obviously deeply distressed. She was also (based on what she and the Right Honourable Minister for Whale Torturing said) an important public figurehead, someone who needed to maintian her image, which might not have been easy with the knowledge of what she'd done weighing down on her every day of her reign. The RHMfWT did seem to handle it very well, but as noted, he's the Demon Headmaster, and in the episode he was the guy in charge of trying to feed slow children to the whale, so he's probably got fewer scruples to start with and isn't exactly the Peoples Princess.

Nobody on the starship besides Her Majesty and the RHMfWT seemed to know about the whale anyway, but I think an easier solution than all this "forget/Protest (and be eaten)" business would be to simply tell everyone that the whale was just an animal, or even a self-propelled space plant or something. Who's going to say any differently(people who want to be eaten by the whale, that's who)?

I do think the whale torturing is pretty horrifying when it's fully revealed, but you need to have a better indication that the whale is an intelligent being (and not just intelligent but more intelligent and much more benevolent than a human) to get the full impact. And like I said, it's later angelic nature doesn't quite sync up with the tentacles and the man eating.

Unrelated thoughts: Starship UK obviously has a lot of problems besides the whale-based economy, what with undesirable citizens being fed to it and the smilers keeping an eye on everyone. I think the RHMfWT probably had a lot to do with that, since Liz 10 genuinely seems like a compassionate monarch with principles that wouldn't include feeding people to a whale. My pet theory is she intended for the '1% protest and we scrap the whole thing' to be genuine, then the RHMfWT said 'Her Majesties principles are admirable, but I don't think we can take this risk, feed all the protestors to the whale'.
If Liz 10 had shouldered her cross and carried on ruling then she might have been able to stop that kind of thing instead of going round and round in circles trying to figure out the mystery of SUK, but we all make mistakes.

Last thing, I'm not too optimistic about the fate of Scotland. The girl said they wanted their own ship, not that they got it. So either A) They didn't come with the rest of Britain onto the whale, and if the rest of Britain needed to enslave a whale then I don't give Scotland good odds for escaping on their own. B) They detatched themselves and flew off into space, with one last backward glance and a 'what the fuck is that thing?! not our problem, not our problem...' which again isn't great odds, since apparently 'everyone would die' without the whale carrying them or C) They wanted their own ship, and the RHMfWT fed the whole of Scotland to the whale as protestors!
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Completely unrelated to the content of the episode but to the series itself, does it seem like Karen Gillan loses her accent from time to time and slips into an American midwestern (IE- standard news presenter) one for a few words? She does it during the confidential episodes as well. I wonder if that's a result of her training as an actress. In any case, it's a very interesting little dialect she's created, and I think it works for the character, with her imposed 'otherness' both with her being a scot in britain and keeping her accent, but also with her fixation on the doctor.

Karen Gillan is from Inverness, I'm pretty sure her accent is natural but tempered slightly by a few years having lived outside of Scotland. Not all Scottish accents are as broad or incomprehensible as say.. Glaswegian though.
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The Highlands English accent is a very 'clean' one compared to most Scottish ones. Which is fairly remarkable, since its the furtherst from England.... but there you go.
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Re: Doctor Who: "The Beast Below" [Spoilers]

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Bingo. I KNEW it was the Demon Headmaster. Damn I miss those shows, they were good in a cheesy way. The books are good too.

Anyhoo, someone above here was right about the Angelic Whale and eating people. Maybe the Whale knew about the forget/protest buttons and decided that they must have pressed forget at some point and were therefore culpable for its torture, so it ate them (and it didn't eat the kids because they dont go into the booth, as the little girl said)

OR

As for it not eating the children, maybe that isnt out of compassion or anything. Maybe children have a pheromone or something which makes the whale think the kids are inedible
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Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: Doctor Who: "The Beast Below" [Spoilers]

Post by Drooling Iguana »

Maybe it was planning on selling them to those aliens from the third season of Torchwood.
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