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Posted: 2003-03-06 01:51am
by fgalkin
Their views on homosexuality:
Q. I’VE SEEN LITERATURE DISTRIBUTED IN PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT SAYS HOMOSEXUALITY IS NORMAL AND HEALTHY. YOU MEAN THAT’S NOT TRUE?

A. Homosexuality is neither normal, nor healthy –It is an unhealthy addiction.

The average male homosexual has over 100 partners in his lifetime. The average lifespan is 42 years. That’s a full 35 years off the natural lifespan of 77 years. We make a big stink about cigarette companies because their product takes from 1-2 years off the average lifespan, yet we give no warnings about homosexuality, and in fact, our present public policy encourages it. If we continue down this road our children will pay the price.

The compassionate thing to do is to say no to a destructive lifestyle, and offer help for those who want to live healthy normal lives. I would offer the same help to a brother who wanted to marry his sister, or a son who wanted to marry his Mother. Love is not the sole determining factor.

We recognize that this is the basis of a healthy society and anything other serves to unravel the fabric of orderly culture

Q. AREN'T WE DISCRIMATING AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS? DOESN’T THAT MAKE HOMOSEXUALS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS? AREN’T THEY ANOTHER MINORITY THAT NEEDS EQUAL RIGHTS?

A. First of all, as a society we discriminate all the time. We say marriage is an institution codified in civil law as the union of two adults of the opposite sex, of a certain minimum age, who are not related by blood. All laws that have conditions are, by definition and necessity, discriminatory.

Secondly, homosexuals are not an oppressed minority. To qualify as a disadvantage minority the courts have already established a three-part test:
1. They must prove that homosexuality is inborn, innate and unchangeable
2. They would have to show that as a group they are economically disadvantaged
3. They would have to demonstrate that they are politically powerless.

Homosexuals fail at all three points There is no such thing as an ex-Puerto Rican, or an ex-African-American, because we can’t change that, but there are thousands upon thousands of ex-gays who have changed their behavior and lifestyle proving, that they weren’t born that way, and that change is possible –with God’s help.

As a group, homosexuals earn higher incomes than minorities, or even the national average. Politically, they have infiltrated all our public institutions and have brought us to a point where we have to consider a Constitutional Amendment to preserve the values that have made us a nation.

They simply are not an oppressed ethnic minority, and it is an offense to legitimate minorities to place a group characterized by deviant behavior in the same class.

If you want to properly place them in a class it would have to be with people who are addicted to destructive behaviors, such as drug addicts, or alcoholics.


Q. YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY?

A. Let’s be real. My children have brown eyes because I have brown eyes. If homosexuality were genetic they would cease to exist in two generations. Do the math.

We’re all born with genetic propensities toward sin, and self-gratification. It’s the responsibility of a family and a society to help one another overcome those self-destructive inclinations, to help us aspire to our higher nature and thus the society becomes good.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-03-06 02:00am
by Captain tycho
Please, no fucking more.... :evil:
I have the sudden urge to steal and RPG and blow lots of shit up. :twisted:

Posted: 2003-03-06 02:05am
by neoolong
Gah, that was just evil.

Re: Fundie voting guide.

Posted: 2003-03-06 08:30am
by Peregrin Toker
fgalkin wrote:Read this http://www.nychristiancoalition.org/Lib ... 0Chart.htm

Liberalism=Socialism. :D

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Funny, here in Europe we believe Liberalism and Socialism to be polar opposites.

Posted: 2003-03-06 09:01am
by salm
*wurks*
disgusting!

Posted: 2003-03-06 09:56am
by Gil Hamilton
I don't know if that is more offense to liberals or more offensive to conservatives.

Liberal: "Hey that shit isn't true!"
Conservative: "Ah, shit... *points to webpage* I am NOT with him!"

Posted: 2003-03-06 10:20am
by Stormbringer
Gil Hamilton wrote:I don't know if that is more offense to liberals or more offensive to conservatives.

Liberal: "Hey that shit isn't true!"
Conservative: "Ah, shit... *points to webpage* I am NOT with him!"
Problem is all too many conservatives are with them. They pass that same crap off on dumbasses and the willfully ignorant.

What a fucking load shit. I can't believe the garbage on that site.

Posted: 2003-03-06 10:32am
by Gil Hamilton
Stormbringer wrote:Problem is all too many conservatives are with them. They pass that same crap off on dumbasses and the willfully ignorant.

What a fucking load shit. I can't believe the garbage on that site.
Well, yes, but I didn't want to be the one that said it because that attacts conservatives to me like an electromagnet being mad about how those nutcases don't represent them (and then turn around and talk about the liberal nutcases do represent the majority of liberals, because people can't resist such hypocrisy).

Posted: 2003-03-06 10:39am
by Stormbringer
Gil Hamilton wrote:Well, yes, but I didn't want to be the one that said it because that attacts conservatives to me like an electromagnet being mad about how those nutcases don't represent them (and then turn around and talk about the liberal nutcases do represent the majority of liberals, because people can't resist such hypocrisy).
Those guys aren't every conservative but they certainly comprise a big chunk of it. Especially the smaller "third" parties not exactly the mainstream. Although the conservative extremists are more common and tend have more influence.

It's partially the same way with liberals. The extremists comprise a fair sized chunk but they tend to be marginalized rather than mainstream.

And politics is built on hypocrisy and lies so why are you suprised that ones like that are batted about so easily?

Posted: 2003-03-06 04:56pm
by fgalkin
neoolong wrote:Gah, that was just evil.
And this is the scary part. :shock: http://cc.org/state/index.html

There's a website just like that in EVERY STATE! :shock:

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-03-06 05:16pm
by Frank Hipper
Christian Coalition whore wrote:Roberta Combs
President


P.S. Just prior to announcing his firm stand against human cloning, President, George W. Bush, invited me to the White House. He greeted me warmly and told me to tell all of our Coalition members to "keep up the great work." The President understands that we are in the middle of a literal battleground, fighting day and night for all the people of America.

P.P.S. I hope you sense the direction I am taking the Christian Coalition. We must address the political necessities, but we must go forth in the name of Jesus and with the power of the Holy Spirit. We are truly living up to our name as the CHRISTIAN Coalition.
Any questions?

Posted: 2003-03-06 05:21pm
by Darksider
Frank Hipper wrote:
Any questions?


Why was bush elected????

Posted: 2003-03-06 05:30pm
by HemlockGrey
Not only have they never heard of recessive genes, they've never heard of the Barbary State, either. Pathetic.

Posted: 2003-03-06 05:45pm
by Darth Servo
A stupid fundie moron wrote:“What is so bad about a little Socialism?” someone might mutter, “After all, there are some problems that the Federal Government has to fix.”What’s so bad about a little more socialism? That’s like saying,“What’s so bad about a little bit of cancer?”
Can any of you say "slippery slope fallacy" He is ruthlessly against socialism and yet completely supports the traditional family structure, even though the second is based on the first?
some sub-sentient fungus wrote:Never mind that the original intent of the Founding Fathers was to have men of wisdom to interpret the principles of Scripture as they apply to contemporary society.
Exactly WHERE in the bible does it approve of democracy? IIRC, Israel was a monarchy for most of its history. Even before King Saul, the leaders were NOT chosen by the people.
something with the brain power of a sponge wrote:Our modern Supreme Court sees itself as truly supreme. Separation of Church and State simply means, as far as they are concerned, that the Church can’t interfere with what the state wants to do. The State is supreme. The Supreme Court rules over the Church.
WOW. Telling the church that they can't dictate the government is the same as the government dictating to the church. :roll:
A rock wrote:When it comes to Church and State the only intended separation is to allow balance. Each has its own responsibility, function, and authority, and by our system of checks and balances, each one is to serve as a counterbalance to the other....There was never intended to be an absolute wall of separation but rather a bridge of cooperation.
His whole arguement against "wall of separation" was that those exact words don't appear anywhere in the constitution, but neither does his brain dead conclusion. He just states it as a fact that government and church should cooperate w/o any real evidence to back it up. He can't even point out a paragraph or sentence in the constitution linking government and religion. :evil: Of course, thats because there isn't one.

Thats all the stupidity I can stand at the moment.

Posted: 2003-03-06 05:54pm
by Superman
This is why I believe Christians should have their right to vote revoked.

Posted: 2003-03-06 06:10pm
by HemlockGrey
This is why I believe Christians should have their right to vote revoked.
Thankfully, we live in a democracy.

Posted: 2003-03-06 06:24pm
by Superman
Well, I think the entire idea of voting is to voice your opinion to make change in the government. Fundies are too stupid to voice their own opinions; they just voice the opinions of others.

Wait until I come to power, dammit. You fundies are going down.

Posted: 2003-03-06 06:30pm
by Xenophobe3691
Well, that's where our country's headed. Down here with all the young people who will eventually take up the mantle of leading our country, it looks even dimmer. I fear for my future, as a minority of a differing religion (not denomination. Religion) of the majority, this country's gonna be a hell hole for me.

Posted: 2003-03-06 06:43pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
Darksider wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:
Any questions?


Why was bush elected????
Because Ozone Al and his zealot of a running mate wouldn't be much better?

Anyway, here's my take on one of the painful essays provided:
The founders of this great nation intended that we would be “One Nation Under God”
Oh, yes, when someone writes letters to someone else calling for a wall of seperation, they're really envisioning a theocracy. :roll:
The founders of this great nation came here for the express purpose of establishing one nation under God, according to the Mayflower Compact, which was the first founding document of our history. In this document, signed by the pilgrims as they approached the coast of New England, they stated specifically why they came. They said it was,
Don't regard my last comment. It seems they were talking about Mayflower Compact. They concienently ignore all of the other groups that came here, including the ones who came for profit, and this guy named Roger Williams, who opposed state religions. Just because the Pilgrims wanted a theocracy doesn't mean Thomas Jefferson wanted one.
Following Christ is not a matter of adhering to a set of rules and regulations or religious ritual. It’s a matter of loving Christ with your whole heart.
Go to church every Sunday, give up something for Lent, and pray to God. I'm sure that qualifies as "religious ritual".
So you see, an Atheist or Agnostic has every right to live here, and be afforded all the rights and respect due a human being created in the image of God, but we must never elect them to office or we sentence ourselves to bondage under godless tyranny.
By that (il)logic, I guess we shouldn't elect Chrsitians to office and sentence ourselves to bondage under religous tyranny.

Now, for something less painful: (Puts dick in cigar cutter)