Who should had won the Kravuva campaign(Soulstorm)

[NecronLord]

A hundred million, yet out of the billions of guardsmen out there, a regiment is lucky to have more than 1 baneblade.

And? In an empire of a million worlds, there are a hell of a lot of guardsmen. You have no reason to say that the hundred baneblade figure is out of order other than gut feeling, I expect. If otherwise, I demand that you show your math.

[PainRack]

A hundred million, yet out of the billions of guardsmen out there, a regiment is lucky to have more than 1 baneblade.

And? In an empire of a million worlds, there are a hell of a lot of guardsmen. You have no reason to say that the hundred baneblade figure is out of order other than gut feeling, I expect. If otherwise, I demand that you show your math.

Errr... the argument isn't that forgeworlds can't produce that number of baneblades. The design is supposed to be mostly restricted to Mars.

[Serafina]

A hundred million, yet out of the billions of guardsmen out there, a regiment is lucky to have more than 1 baneblade.

And? In an empire of a million worlds, there are a hell of a lot of guardsmen. You have no reason to say that the hundred baneblade figure is out of order other than gut feeling, I expect. If otherwise, I demand that you show your math.

Errr... the argument isn't that forgeworlds can't produce that number of baneblades. The design is supposed to be mostly restricted to Mars.

MOST of them are made on Mars - not ALL of them. For example, there are fully-functional Baneblades from the Forgeworld Lucius
Lexicanum has the following to say on it, and it's accurate, so i will just quote it:

Mars holds the complete data on the Baneblade's construction. Many other forge worlds possess only incomplete or corrupted STC data. Consequently, these worlds must resort to utilizing technologies of other war machines in producing a Baneblade. These counterfeits use standard Battle Cannon shells instead of more powerful rocket propelled shells. Its Demolisher Cannon is often replaced with another Battle Cannon. Others might have less effective armour, inferior engine and transmission performance, lesser communications equipment and no tactical logic engines with various other secondary systems ignored.

There is only one sure way of identifying a true Baneblade. Every Baneblade is given its own identity number and name, and all records of the vehicle's service and actions are reverently recorded on the Forge World of origin so that the fate of all Baneblades may be known.

The vast majority of Baneblades are produced on the Forge World of Mars, with a select few others granted the honour of creating this war machine or one of its several variants.

There you have it. Once again, you are wrong.

[PainRack]

MOST of them are made on Mars - not ALL of them. For example, there are fully-functional Baneblades from the Forgeworld Lucius
Lexicanum has the following to say on it, and it's accurate, so i will just quote it:
There you have it. Once again, you are wrong.

You're a POS serafina. How the fuck am I wrong when my argument is based on Mars produce the majority of baneblades, is there thus any reason to believe the Kaurava system, which ISN"T a forge world can produce hundreds of baneblades?

I'm not claiming that Mars can't produce hundreds of baneblades btw, I'm asking is there any reason that a non forge world has the possibility to produce hundreds of super-heavy tanks?


I should point out that on rereading the source, I realised that Fortris Binary is a Forge World as opposed to a hive world so my initial post is off.

[NecronLord]

You're a POS serafina. How the fuck am I wrong when my argument is based on Mars produce the majority of baneblades, is there thus any reason to believe the Kaurava system, which ISN"T a forge world can produce hundreds of baneblades?

I'm not claiming that Mars can't produce hundreds of baneblades btw, I'm asking is there any reason that a non forge world has the possibility to produce hundreds of super-heavy tanks?

Firstly, if you watch the actual cutscene, it's a 'shipment' nowhere were they said to have made them in Kaurava, second, show your working to demonstrate that it's infeasible.

[Vendetta]

Firstly, if you watch the actual cutscene, it's a 'shipment' nowhere were they said to have made them in Kaurava, second, show your working to demonstrate that it's infeasible.

The Baneblades couldn't be going anywhere else. Part of the setup of Soulstorm is that everyone's navigation is fucked up by the warp storm, which is why you have to use the ancient gates to get around the place. No-one's going anywhere, with or without Baneblades.

They're down the back of Vance Motherfucking Stubbs' couch.

[OmegaChief]

I think it's a case of gameplay and stor segrigation there.

In game the IG can jump pump out unlimited Banebaldes (One at a time) so long as they have a circular building to drop crates in. It seems the developers instead of researching the 40K universe looked only at the other games and said, "Oh hey they can build these things anywhere it'd be perfectly fine for them to build hunreds of hem on his one world and send them out".

And this is why in the stronghold you shoot unescorted Rhinos(!) carrying Baneblade parts.

[PainRack]

You're a POS serafina. How the fuck am I wrong when my argument is based on Mars produce the majority of baneblades, is there thus any reason to believe the Kaurava system, which ISN"T a forge world can produce hundreds of baneblades?

I'm not claiming that Mars can't produce hundreds of baneblades btw, I'm asking is there any reason that a non forge world has the possibility to produce hundreds of super-heavy tanks?

Firstly, if you watch the actual cutscene, it's a 'shipment' nowhere were they said to have made them in Kaurava, second, show your working to demonstrate that it's infeasible.

Simple.
1. Most regiments have access to 1, 4 being considered a generous number. The two regiments Stubbs had had access to a HUNDRED baneblades.

2. Kaurava ISN"T a forgeworld. The Adeptus Mechanicus restricts the design mostly to Mars, with other Forge worlds producing "corrupted" variants.

[NecronLord]

I think it's a case of gameplay and stor segrigation there.

In game the IG can jump pump out unlimited Banebaldes (One at a time) so long as they have a circular building to drop crates in. It seems the developers instead of researching the 40K universe looked only at the other games and said, "Oh hey they can build these things anywhere it'd be perfectly fine for them to build hunreds of hem on his one world and send them out".

And this is why in the stronghold you shoot unescorted Rhinos(!) carrying Baneblade parts.

I have no problem with the idea that the famously adaptable STC vehicles can be disassembled and shipped around in a crate.

And Rhinos are plentiful; remember, it's the standard transport of the Arbities, who're on every single planet. I can easily buy that the Munitorum might use them to transport valuable cargo, like baneblade components.

Simple.
1. Most regiments have access to 1, 4 being considered a generous number. The two regiments Stubbs had had access to a HUNDRED baneblades.

And? Again, it's a "shipment" of Baneblades, no one ever said the Adeptus Munitorum had slated them all to go to one or two regiments.

2. Kaurava ISN"T a forgeworld. The Adeptus Mechanicus restricts the design mostly to Mars, with other Forge worlds producing "corrupted" variants.

Irrelevant. They didn't build them there, they were finally assembled there.

[PainRack]

And? Again, it's a "shipment" of Baneblades, no one ever said the Adeptus Munitorum had slated them all to go to one or two regiments.

Irrelevant. They didn't build them there, they were finally assembled there.

So, Kaurava is one of the few select "Forge worlds" allowed to assemble the Baneblade?
Ok then.

[Purple]

I think that the point he is trying to make was that (according to him) there was a shipment of baneblades passing through the system. With plans being to drop off a few and keep going. But all of them got trapped there due to the warp storm.

[NecronLord]

I think that the point he is trying to make was that (according to him) there was a shipment of baneblades passing through the system. With plans being to drop off a few and keep going. But all of them got trapped there due to the warp storm.

Bingo they're assembling them from parts brought in, nothing whatsoever suggests that they are actually being produced on Kaurava. The conceit of IG in Dawn of War is that the boxes dropped contain pre-fabs, be it pre-fab buildings, or pre-fab vehicles, that are then assembled. Presumably there is a warehouse somewhere that happens to have them, though even then, it's not that unreasonable that there may be, gasp, a baneblade factory somewhere on Kaurava I that happens to have been working full pelt since the crisis started.