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Posted: 2003-03-16 03:30am
by Enlightenment
If the Borg were smart they could adapt to bullets by using forcefields to stop the bullet and an antigrav or reaction-drive unit to keep the drone standing upright after taking--say--a 25mm cannon round in the chest.

Another option would be to use a microtransporter along the lines of the one used in DS9:Field of Fire to transport incoming bullets away from the drone.

Posted: 2003-03-16 03:31am
by neoolong
Have they showed the capability to have such devices on the body of a single drone?

Posted: 2003-03-16 03:39am
by Enlightenment
neoolong wrote:Have they showed the capability to have such devices on the body of a single drone?
Forcefields? Yes. Any of the other gear? No.

This is just a hypothetical based on known Treknology, nothing more.

Posted: 2003-03-16 03:59am
by Darth Wong
Enlightenment wrote:
neoolong wrote:Have they showed the capability to have such devices on the body of a single drone?
Forcefields? Yes. Any of the other gear? No.
Actually, it's "no" on both counts. While they have shown the ability to make forcefield generators, we have no evidence of them being able to miniaturize them to body implants (since Borg shields are generated with microscopic in-body implants rather than the exoskeletal hardware, as 7 of 9 proved by deploying them with her exoskeleton removed) and then somehow deal with the reaction-force problem which would cause even a minor impact to tear the implants out.

Posted: 2003-03-16 04:22am
by Enlightenment
Darth Wong wrote:Actually, it's "no" on both counts.
I believe the second Borg drone sent to examine the E-D during the first UFP-Borg encounter put up a segmented personal forcefield to block phaser fire.

Posted: 2003-03-16 04:25am
by Darth Wong
Enlightenment wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Actually, it's "no" on both counts.
I believe the second Borg drone sent to examine the E-D during the first UFP-Borg encounter put up a segmented personal forcefield to block phaser fire.
And this equates directly to a forcefield capable of repelling bullets ... how?

Posted: 2003-03-16 05:00am
by Kurgan
It's also possible that the holosuites on DS9 have accompanying "costume wardrobes" with a selection from popular programs.

I'd wonder if they can replicate clothing as elaborate as the holosuite costumes though, how somebody like Garak can make a living as a tailor... unless of course replicated clothing isn't "as good as the real thing" or some other factor (after all, earth people seem to prefer "home cooked" food rather than replicated ones).

Then there's the "replicator rations" that seem to limit use, and perhaps power generation issues preclude too much replication of clothing on a whim.

Posted: 2003-03-16 04:01pm
by Master of Ossus
Quark does charge a fee for the use of the holodeck, and it seems that reservations are normally required to get in.

As for Garak's little shop, I've always been under the impression that he's actually NOT a tailor and cannot actually make any clothing. He's just using that as a thin veneer of a cover story, since everyone already knows his history. I don't think he's ever made any latinum selling clothes.

Posted: 2003-03-16 04:11pm
by neoolong
Master of Ossus wrote:Quark does charge a fee for the use of the holodeck, and it seems that reservations are normally required to get in.

As for Garak's little shop, I've always been under the impression that he's actually NOT a tailor and cannot actually make any clothing. He's just using that as a thin veneer of a cover story, since everyone already knows his history. I don't think he's ever made any latinum selling clothes.
Actually I think he is. People go in to actually shop. And he does have clothes made. He even says that hemming or something relaxes him.

Posted: 2003-03-16 07:00pm
by Master of Ossus
neoolong wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Quark does charge a fee for the use of the holodeck, and it seems that reservations are normally required to get in.

As for Garak's little shop, I've always been under the impression that he's actually NOT a tailor and cannot actually make any clothing. He's just using that as a thin veneer of a cover story, since everyone already knows his history. I don't think he's ever made any latinum selling clothes.
Actually I think he is. People go in to actually shop. And he does have clothes made. He even says that hemming or something relaxes him.
Really? Hmmm.... I have no idea how he can make a living that way.

Posted: 2003-03-16 08:39pm
by neoolong
Neither do I. I just know that he actually does do tailoring stuff.

Posted: 2003-03-16 09:38pm
by Baron Mordo
Master of Ossus wrote:
neoolong wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Quark does charge a fee for the use of the holodeck, and it seems that reservations are normally required to get in.

As for Garak's little shop, I've always been under the impression that he's actually NOT a tailor and cannot actually make any clothing. He's just using that as a thin veneer of a cover story, since everyone already knows his history. I don't think he's ever made any latinum selling clothes.
Actually I think he is. People go in to actually shop. And he does have clothes made. He even says that hemming or something relaxes him.
Really? Hmmm.... I have no idea how he can make a living that way.
Probably because either a) The Federation provides for him anyway, and his business is more like a hobby, or b) being at the edge of the frontier, people can't get quality garments, and use real money to buy them rather than getting Federali handouts.

Posted: 2003-03-16 10:12pm
by Darth Wong
It wouldn't be unreasonable for Garak to be economically viable. Replicators must cost money to run, just like any other technology. Unless you have magic light bulbs, it costs money just to keep the lights on in your house, remember? I don't know why people persist in thinking that replicators must be zero-cost technology just because you don't see sweaty men with pick-axes working.

Since we don't know the cost of owning, maintaining, supplying, programming, and operating a replicator, we have no basis whatsoever to conclude that replicators must make traditional methods obsolete. Modern CNC machine tools can make furniture very efficiently, yet old-fashioned hand crafted furniture can still carve out a market niche.

Posted: 2003-03-17 01:42am
by Typhonis 1
Also theres the fact that they can state "why yes this is made by a person,it has a better quality than those replicator jobs.Because I really dont see how a replicator could make something like a set of clothers....I mean how does it make a frelling ZIPPER??