Science and accumulation of knowledge is about observations. Good data that one can extrapolate from is useful even if there is no good theory behind them. (for example quantum mechanics) "Debunking" theories but not data doesn't do very much. That is like saying that "we see this in reality, but does it work in theory?"
mr friendly guy wrote:Ultimately science is dependent on observation. If your observations do not match the theory, then your theory is wrong period. Instinct might tell you that people with bigger brains are smarter, but observations counter that. Instinct might tell you that a person with bigger muscles are stronger, but observation triumphs all.
However observation have shown that people with bigger brains are generally smarter at 0.3 correlation, and people with bigger muscles are usually stronger.
Better measurements exists of course, you can measure intelligence and strength directly. If you do so, you'd get pretty much "racist" results as much of the best jobs in the modern economy requires things that is correlated with IQ test and education and a minority is bad at it.
If everyone had the same test scores and achievement we wouldn't be discussing this at all. What is going on is that there is a difference in measurement and a number of hypothesis is raised to explain it.
The brain size issue is like Galileo's observation of Jupitor's moons and using it to support his world view of the Earth orbiting the sun. It is not direct proof, however it is consistent with the model used to comprehend a different issue.
Simon_Jester wrote:There's nothing that would explain why Africans have a unique selection pressure that selects against brains that are "too big" and "too powerful." So there's no reason to expect them to develop such brains, or for the reverse to happen in other lands.
There is unlikely to have selection pressure for stupidity (until now, where high IQ people have lowest fertility) however there are other selection pressures, including tissue cost. The genome is also a unrefactored mess where selection pressure to kidneys may require a changes to the jaw and all that. There might be selection pressure in completely unrelated things that indirectly led to lowered intelligence. We do not have a good view of things from a gene's point of view, and it is hard to know what trade offs is involved.
Now, that is not to say this claim naturally targets Africans like in the r-k theory (even fast life cycle benefit from intelligence). That said, intelligence differences due to environment selecting different things would not be surprising. There are also other possibilities, like novel mutations that hasn't had enough time to spread throughout the population, like lactose tolerance, or simply increases in genetic errors (some claim societies with high cousin marriages have ~5 points less IQ) and things like that.
some reference:
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/36/13010.abstract
"We find that the brain’s metabolic requirements peak in childhood, when it uses glucose at a rate equivalent to 66% of the body’s resting metabolism and 43% of the body’s daily energy requirement, and that brain glucose demand relates inversely to body growth from infancy to puberty. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/scien ... d=all&_r=0
selection against intelligence
EgalitarianJay wrote:Lieberman's article: How “Caucasoids” Got Such Big Crania and Why They Shrank: From Morton To Rushton Current Anthropology Volume 42, Number 1, February 2001
I do not disagree with the criticism on Rushton, however that criticism does not rule out significant biological variation due to environment. Rushton have choosen a crude line to divide the "races" when traits are likely to be specialized to specific environments, for example Tibetan high altitude adaptation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altit ... _in_humans (note this took only 3000 years, plus admixture with archaic hominins)
If significant biological differences exists, then most population divisions, even if not sensible, it likely to capture a part of that and see difference in mean.
Men generally have bigger brains than women yet their IQ scores are virtually identical. Brain size actually decreases with age and while the brain is more susceptible to mental diseases as one gets older people don't get dumber as they age.
I'd say demantia would lead to poor test results. If smaller brains means increased vulnerability mental illness then one would see a skew in performance.
Zixinus wrote:Then you have a very weird idea of civilization. In past feudal societies one good way to rise on the social ladder was to become a warrior. There are historical figures that managed to rise from lowly commoner to rich noble. As there is a creation of a warrior-class would select for the most aggressive, the most physically able to do violence and survive it.
A "standing bandit" called the state have low incentive to actually hurt the peasants, and every incentive to have workable relations use threats and rewards to manipulate them for taxes. Every minute anyone in the your domain is fighting is time they are not producing wealth for you to tax. If you kill the peasants, then there is no one to tax. In Europe after the black death, there is actually a surplus of land so more subjects = more wealth and power.
A roving bandit, someone who is not settled, have no relations with those robbed and no reason to limit violence as a roving bandit can just move somewhere else after killing the newest set of victims.
Of course, these are a form of "just-so" stories. Someone has gone through the effort of collecting the data however:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better ... Our_Nature
The Pacification Process – Pinker describes this as the transition from “the anarchy of hunting, gathering, and horticultural societies ….to the first agricultural civilizations with cities and governments, beginning around five thousand years ago,” which brought “a reduction in the chronic raiding and feuding that characterized life in a state of nature and a more or less fivefold decrease in rates of violent death.”
The Civilizing Process – Pinker argues that “between the late Middle Ages and the 20th century, European countries saw a tenfold-to-fiftyfold decline in their rates of homicide.” Pinker attributes the idea of the Civilizing Process to the sociologist Norbert Elias, who “attributed this surprising decline to the consolidation of a patchwork of feudal territories into large kingdoms with centralized authority and an infrastructure on commerce.”
There are explorations into how this "civilizing" process may have influenced genetics and caused the industrial revolution.
http://www.amazon.com/Farewell-Alms-Eco ... 0691141282