KISD Suspends Student For Leaving Class To Carry Asthmatic Student To Nurse's Office

[biostem]

Yeah... at the very least, if the nurse doesn't respond immediately, call 911.

With what phone ?

We are talking about the actions of a student in a school for students with discipline problems.

I meant the teacher.

[bilateralrope]

Yeah... at the very least, if the nurse doesn't respond immediately, call 911.

With what phone ?

We are talking about the actions of a student in a school for students with discipline problems.

I meant the teacher.

The teacher is an idiot who thinks that emailing for help in a medical emergency is a good idea.

[biostem]

With what phone ?

We are talking about the actions of a student in a school for students with discipline problems.

I meant the teacher.

The teacher is an idiot who thinks that emailing for help in a medical emergency is a good idea.

Not trying to derail the topic, but does this school or this teacher have a history of being involved in lawsuits or corrective actions for not "sticking to protocol"? I'm not trying to excuse the behavior, but it may be a case of one or more parties being "gunshy".

[bilateralrope]

I meant the teacher.

The teacher is an idiot who thinks that emailing for help in a medical emergency is a good idea.

Not trying to derail the topic, but does this school or this teacher have a history of being involved in lawsuits or corrective actions for not "sticking to protocol"? I'm not trying to excuse the behavior, but it may be a case of one or more parties being "gunshy".

That would mean that there is another idiot: The person who wrote the policy of emailing the nurse in a medical emergency.

[LaCroix]

What Broomstick said is 100% true.

My mother is a severe asthmatic. We kids were trained to drop whatever we did at the moment and RUN for her spray when she got a seizure and it wasn't at hand. Having the spray 5m away on a table when an attack starts could have been lethal, for you won't make it in a true seizure.

[Flagg]

People seem to not understand that with modern technology, emails can go this thing called a "cell phone" in the form of a text. So this assumption that the nurse would only be notified if she logged into her email is outdated by at least a decade.

[Broomstick]

Only if the nurse is paying attention to her cellphone - plenty of people ignore texts or are distracted and don't hear a notification tone.

So, OK, text the nurse - but if she doesn't respond you don't just sit there watching a kid fighting to breathe. If you don't get an immediate response call 911. Holy fuck, do people really need this explained?

[LaCroix]

People seem to not understand that with modern technology, emails can go this thing called a "cell phone" in the form of a text. So this assumption that the nurse would only be notified if she logged into her email is outdated by at least a decade.

If you send a nurse a text/sms/email about an asthma attack, and don't get an immediate reply "I'm on my way!", you should be acting, right now. If she responds just 5 mins later, the kid could be dead.

People do ignore asthma as "just a bad caugh". It's not. It's lethal. Just replace the "asthma attack" with 'coronary', 'stroke', or 'severed limb'. And then think once again if it is the right thing to calmly wait for the nurse to respond at her leisure.

[Zaune]

People seem to not understand that with modern technology, emails can go this thing called a "cell phone" in the form of a text. So this assumption that the nurse would only be notified if she logged into her email is outdated by at least a decade.

If some of the stories I've heard about school IT are any guide, this place would be doing well if the nurse could access her official email without using a specific, thoroughly outdated edition of Internet Explorer.

[bilateralrope]

People seem to not understand that with modern technology, emails can go this thing called a "cell phone" in the form of a text. So this assumption that the nurse would only be notified if she logged into her email is outdated by at least a decade.

In a medical emergency you want to quickly know if help is coming. Which means a voice call. If it doesn't get answered, you know that help isn't coming. If it gets answered, you will get quick replies to your questions. Either way, you get the answer quickly.

Lets assume that the nurses phone had a dead battery. What happens ?
- Voice call: Call goes straight to voicemail. Caller knows that the nurse isn't picking up and that they are on their own.
- Email/text: Person sending the message doesn't know anything. Doesn't know if help is coming or not.

How long would you wait after sending a text/email before deciding to act as if help isn't coming ?
Acceptable answers are either admitting that text and email are stupid ways to call for help or a specific amount of time.

[Flagg]

I'm not saying their way of doing things is perfect, acceptable, or even that they do things the way I described. I just noticed that no one seemed to realize that that is a system they may use because everyone kept assuming the nurse would have to "check her email" when it very well could go directly to her phone as a "911" type of text. But I never claimed that they did have such a system in place or even commented on response time for asthma attacks, so I don't know why you're all telling me this as it's completely irrelevant to what I said.

[bilateralrope]

. I just noticed that no one seemed to realize that that is a system they may use because everyone kept assuming the nurse would have to "check her email" when it very well could go directly to her phone as a "911" type of text.

It doesn't matter if the message goes straight to the nurses phone or not. What matters is that the teacher waited 3 minutes for a reply and was willing to keep waiting.

What matters is that sending a message to the phone still involves a period of waiting, not knowing if the nurse has received the message or not. Making it a stupid system to use when a voice call will let you know if help is coming much quicker.

[Flagg]

. I just noticed that no one seemed to realize that that is a system they may use because everyone kept assuming the nurse would have to "check her email" when it very well could go directly to her phone as a "911" type of text.

It doesn't matter if the message goes straight to the nurses phone or not. What matters is that the teacher waited 3 minutes for a reply and was willing to keep waiting.

What matters is that sending a message to the phone still involves a period of waiting, not knowing if the nurse has received the message or not. Making it a stupid system to use when a voice call will let you know if help is coming much quicker.

Again, that's irrelevant to what I said as I never commented on the stupidity/ non-stupidity of that system, should it have been the one they used. So you telling me all of this, especially after my last reply, reeks of posturing. Especially since I agree with that in general. I just take issue with the portrayal of the kid as some kind of Saint since he's in an "alternative school" for a reason. Namely, behavioral problems.

[Bedlam]

I think the rules the teacher was probably more scared of breaking wasn't that he was supposed to e-mail the nurse but that he wasn't supposed to leave the rest of the class alone or let any of the students go off by themselves. He would be held accountable for anything the rest of the class did while he was away or they were out of the classroom.