His Divine Shadow wrote:Canon policy > you
ICS and the VD is canon because canon policy dictates that it's so, it's the same with the novellizations and scripts, because they all work directly in conjuction with the movie and therefore the official story of SW.
"Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history"
This includes the novellizations, Radio Dramatizations, scripts and any books based directly on the movie in question, wich means the ICS and Visual Dictionary.
Who said I was greater than canon policy? Okay, I have to apoligise, I hadn't heard about the ICSs and VDs being canon and the reference I was using stated that only movies, novels and radio dramatisations were canon. The one problem I have with the VDs being canon is that there are places where they are self-contradictory. For example, I was looking through them yesterday and looked at the R2-D2 reference in both the OT VD and the AOTC VD:
OT VD:
- the small circle under the big black 'eye' or R2 is labelled as a processor state indicator and the pair of rectangular 'displays' to the left of it are labelled logic function display.
- the legs on R2 are a little away from the body.
- under R2, where his third leg retracts there is a rectangular space for the leg to retract into.
- the brown cable on the bottom of R2's legs are labelled powerbus cables.
- (this one is particularly difficult to describe) on the inside of R2's legs, down the bottom, there is one little 'beam' (best description I can think of).
AOTC VD:
- the rectangular displays are now 'processor state indicators', not 'logic function displays', a function previously attributed to a different part of R2!
- R2's legs are pretty much directly next to his body.
- under R2, where the third leg retracts there is now a
circular area to retract into!
- the brown cables are now 'sensory impulse cables'!
- on the bottom of R2's legs there are
two little beams, and those beams don't line up with the 'holes' on the OT R2.
Take a look for yourself - the R2s are obviously two different models. So if both VDs are treated equally as canon, which one is right?
His Divine Shadow wrote:I say TREAT it as canon
Ok, lets not start arguing over semantics. All I'm saying is that why TREAT something as canon if it's not? No big deal, we mean the same thing.
His Divine Shadow wrote:I don't really see any contradictions between the movies and EU...
Now, I'm getting a little pissed off. Did you even read my (double) post earlier? I offered a whole lot of examples of canon material that are contradicting the EU. You can't just dismiss it by saying 'I don't see a contradiction'. You should try to stop being so 'objective' and 'scientific' and actually provide some
reasoning behind what you say - not just blatently dismiss my arguments with a sentence. If you want this to be a reasonable discussion then be reasonable. You may not agree with me, fine. But at least provide some arguments and logic behind your disagreement. TELL ME HOW YOU DON'T SEE A CONTRADICTION. For all your talk of objectivity and science you aren't being very scientific.
His Divine Shadow wrote:to decide personally that some evidence should be thrown out is highly subjective
I'm not simply "throwing out" evidence. I am highlighting contradictions with canon material. If you don't think they're contradictions then provide reasons for it. And elaborate, not one sentence, please.
His Divine Shadow wrote:And also remember the force interference point in AOTC
I have. I have also illustrated that the Sith aren't much more powerful than the Jedi, having been defeated by Jedi numerous times. Therefore, the "force interference" can't be that much of an issue. Especially for physical abilities. The "Force interference" isn't a force intereference at all. Its an interference with the ability of a Jedi to view the future and such - not a physical limitation, as can be seen that Yoda defeats Dooku and Luke defeats Vader.
His Divine Shadow wrote:Also, why are Dark Jedi / Sith not as powerfull in that era? It's easy, official material alredy explained that most of this dark knowledge was lost eons ago, Emperor Palpatine in Dark Empire found new ways to harness the force, and in doing so, recovered much lost knowledge.
This is the most reasonable point you've made the entire time. To me it stinks of a "shit, how are we going to explain all the contradictions with the movies?". But it's there so I guess we'll have to deal with it.
However, it still fails to address some contradictions, specifically the ones to do with the non-dark side users. We pretty much see the extent of Yoda's power in AOTC. If a dozen or two Jedi can move 45 (!) Star Destroyers out of a planetary system then why couldn't Yoda, Mace and all the Jedi park themselves in orbit around Geonosis and use some similar power to destroy all the battle droids?