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So I saw Blade Runner 2049
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Re: So I saw Blade Runner 2049
What a beautiful movie. So many elements I was thinking of.
Joi being able to 'go outside' and 'be realer' then mirroring K's reaction to snow after he learns he's 'special'... then the motif again as he realizes it doesn't matter or that he truly is at the end, plus then the realization of where in part that comes from in the very last shot. The fact too that he, an artificial person, can form a bond with a more artificial person then making that realization in front of the giant vulgar hologram to set his mind in the direction it did? Really beautiful.
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Joi being able to 'go outside' and 'be realer' then mirroring K's reaction to snow after he learns he's 'special'... then the motif again as he realizes it doesn't matter or that he truly is at the end, plus then the realization of where in part that comes from in the very last shot. The fact too that he, an artificial person, can form a bond with a more artificial person then making that realization in front of the giant vulgar hologram to set his mind in the direction it did? Really beautiful.
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Re: So I saw Blade Runner 2049
I love this interpolation, it's what I go for, and it grates me when people see it in the opposite way, that Joi wasn't real, that K 's experiences were all meaningless... but I think they're still uncomfortable with the expanded notion of human-ness (or, on the other hand, the decreasing distinction of human-ness).Nephtys wrote: ↑2017-10-25 05:00am What a beautiful movie. So many elements I was thinking of.
Joi being able to 'go outside' and 'be realer' then mirroring K's reaction to snow after he learns he's 'special'... then the motif again as he realizes it doesn't matter or that he truly is at the end, plus then the realization of where in part that comes from in the very last shot. The fact too that he, an artificial person, can form a bond with a more artificial person then making that realization in front of the giant vulgar hologram to set his mind in the direction it did? Really beautiful.
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Re: So I saw Blade Runner 2049
The film was about humans, “replicants” are just a metaphor of the underclass - deprived of freedom and life, they are forced “off-world”, forced to fight in wars for their masters, they are deprived of feelings, forced to serve and obey. The entire dichotomy of who is a replicant and who is not is secondary to the overarching class struggle picture in the oligarchic anti-utopia.
This is not about real robots, it is about the dehumanization of society. After all, what is the difference between a warbot and a dehumanized soldier? Between a sexbot and a dehumanized prostitute?
The film is very clever to use the biorobot metaphor, because so far opressing robots does not seem to be a problem with humans. After all, it is just machines, artificial - means we own them and may do as we please, right? By showing that these are no different and in fact nothing else than humans, even if perhaps somewhat impaired, the film reminds idiots who believe in a capitalist-led future robotic utopia that it would just be the same, a different shade of slavery, but slavery nonetheless.
It is definetely the film of the year for me.
This is not about real robots, it is about the dehumanization of society. After all, what is the difference between a warbot and a dehumanized soldier? Between a sexbot and a dehumanized prostitute?
The film is very clever to use the biorobot metaphor, because so far opressing robots does not seem to be a problem with humans. After all, it is just machines, artificial - means we own them and may do as we please, right? By showing that these are no different and in fact nothing else than humans, even if perhaps somewhat impaired, the film reminds idiots who believe in a capitalist-led future robotic utopia that it would just be the same, a different shade of slavery, but slavery nonetheless.
It is definetely the film of the year for me.
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Re: So I saw Blade Runner 2049
Personally, I think that K getting his heart broken by the Joi product was what made him "real" for me, what is more, human than getting your heart bronken and keep going, wanting to make some ..difference?Shroom Man 777 wrote: ↑2017-11-14 11:45amI love this interpolation, it's what I go for, and it grates me when people see it in the opposite way, that Joi wasn't real, that K 's experiences were all meaningless... but I think they're still uncomfortable with the expanded notion of human-ness (or, on the other hand, the decreasing distinction of human-ness).Nephtys wrote: ↑2017-10-25 05:00am What a beautiful movie. So many elements I was thinking of.
Joi being able to 'go outside' and 'be realer' then mirroring K's reaction to snow after he learns he's 'special'... then the motif again as he realizes it doesn't matter or that he truly is at the end, plus then the realization of where in part that comes from in the very last shot. The fact too that he, an artificial person, can form a bond with a more artificial person then making that realization in front of the giant vulgar hologram to set his mind in the direction it did? Really beautiful.
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Re: So I saw Blade Runner 2049
It coincided with the revelation that his treasured origin was also an artifice, it's not coincidental.Anacronian wrote: ↑2017-12-28 05:13pm
Personally, I think that K getting his heart broken by the Joi product was what made him "real" for me, what is more, human than getting your heart bronken and keep going, wanting to make some ..difference?
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shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
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shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
Pink Sugar Heart Attack!