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Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Kintaro wrote:Haha, we were just reported to the mods. What a jerk.

I wasn't.

If you want to make ANY progress there, you do not openly assault their canon policy or seem overly aligned with Saxton or SD.net or Wong.

They'll discredit you and just shut you out.

Sigh... I really hate people who can't handle their beliefs questioned, or even refusing to listen. I would love it if some of those children came over here and recieve the Imperial Smack-Down

Well, it look like he's gone. His debating skill is similar to that of a certain star who does not produce enough light, making it "dark"

Really, the official site has the official say on the length or height of a Star Wars ship. You people really don't have a say here, so, stop questioning the site's measurement.
As for the 'height: 12.8km' business, that is just an error in typing. I hope no one is stupid enough to actually fall for that. Of course, I wouldn't really be surprise if one of you did.

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

Actually, EP, the official site has numerous factual errors according to the official sanctioned source materials as it is.

The intended size displayed on-screen canon is the ultimate source. Nothing can contradict that unless GL goes back and makes a 12.8 km Executor.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Really, the official site has the official say on the length or height of a Star Wars ship. You people really don't have a say here, so, stop questioning the site's measurement.

No, the movies have the final say and the official site is just flat out wrong. It was wrong with 8km and it's still wrong at 12.8 km. The Executor is 17.6 km according to the movies and that's all there is to it.

If they said Emperor Palpatine was a fuzzy blue wookie then they'd be wrong because it contradicts the movies. Canon's canon and no amount of official sources can change that.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:As for the 'height: 12.8km' business, that is just an error in typing. I hope no one is stupid enough to actually fall for that. Of course, I wouldn't really be surprise if one of you did.

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

It's merely proof that the official site is isn't infallable. If they can make mistakes that stupid it's entirely possible that they can make ones much more subtle.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Really, the official site has the official say on the length or height of a Star Wars ship. You people really don't have a say here, so, stop questioning the site's measurement.
As for the 'height: 12.8km' business, that is just an error in typing. I hope no one is stupid enough to actually fall for that. Of course, I wouldn't really be surprise if one of you did.

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

You would't be surprised if one of us did? You're in a lot of shit here already, fucker.

Well, looks like we've driven the demon of stupidity from that thread.

Stormbringer wrote:Well, looks like we've driven the demon of stupidity from that thread.

Yes, stewing away in his adobe....and I have the final say there

Cyaround,
Jason

Soontir C'boath wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Well, looks like we've driven the demon of stupidity from that thread.

Yes, stewing away in his adobe....and I have the final say there

Cyaround,
Jason

Well, you came after we drove him to his mama Anyways, it seems the thread was locked because it was being discussed in the toy section; not the real debating forum, so haha for bad syntax. It was kind of fun smaking that bitch around.

Curious... since when was the length of a Super Star Destroyer ever mentioned in the movies. Not that I know of.
From one of the pictures, it seem that someone used the length of an ordinary Star Destroyer, lined head to tail, to measure the length of the SSD.
I don't think that is really a good method to compare the length. These models are not created using exact measurements.

Since the movies didn't mention the length of the Star Destroyers, and it was agreed upon that it was 12.8KM, what more can be said?

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

no, it wasnt mentioned, but one can use the observed events to make the numbers.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Since the movies didn't mention the length of the Star Destroyers...

The lenght of the Executor can be measured from the films.
See: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#isd , for Saxton's work on the subject.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:...and it was agreed upon that it was 12.8KM...

1)Agreed on by whom?
2) Ever heard of the appeal to popularity fallacy?

Emperor Palpatine wrote:...what more can be said?

Well I can think of a FEW things...

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Curious... since when was the length of a Super Star Destroyer ever mentioned in the movies. Not that I know of.
From one of the pictures, it seem that someone used the length of an ordinary Star Destroyer, lined head to tail, to measure the length of the SSD.
I don't think that is really a good method to compare the length. These models are not created using exact measurements.

ILM made the models with exacting scale and were quite careful in their measurements.

Since the movies didn't mention the length of the Star Destroyers, and it was agreed upon that it was 12.8KM, what more can be said?

An ISD is 1.609km long (one mile) based on production images and scaling of Tantive IV and a Lambda-class shuttle. Further evidence shows that a 1/620 scale is likely to have been used (as it was common at the time for some kits).

There are two other estimates: an ISD of some 686 meters and one six miles long. Neither agree with cinematic scaling.

This pic usually shuts people up prety fast

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/fleet.jpg

Just try to tell me the Executor isn't at least 10 times as long as the ISD in from of it.

Can that pic, it;s fucking up the formatting.

Darth Pounder wrote:Can that pic, it;s fucking up the formatting.

There, happy?

Really, the official site has the official say on the length or height of a Star Wars ship.

And the canon movies have the canon say on the length or height of a Star Wars ship. And the canon movies disagree with the official site.

As for the 'height: 12.8km' business, that is just an error in typing.

What, they meant to type "weight", instead? You do realize that that's even loonier, right?

Face it, official ain't infallible.

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Curious... since when was the length of a Super Star Destroyer ever mentioned in the movies. Not that I know of.
From one of the pictures, it seem that someone used the length of an ordinary Star Destroyer, lined head to tail, to measure the length of the SSD.
I don't think that is really a good method to compare the length. These models are not created using exact measurements.

Since the movies didn't mention the length of the Star Destroyers, and it was agreed upon that it was 12.8KM, what more can be said?

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

None of the lengths for any of the ships were mentioned in the movies. The length of the Imperator class Star Destroyer was metioned in some television special or magazine (don't remeber right off hand, but I will find out) about the film's production. When star destroyers are lined up, stems to sterns, over an Executor class star destroyer, the length is mesured as 11 miles. It does not matter whether you like this method or not; it works.

Measuring using the models seem on screen is the most naive way to measure lengths I've ever heard of. You can't tell just from there because you will never know if the Star Destroyer might be miles and miles away.
If you wish to measure it, you have to get a model from ILM, since someone claimed they made it to size.
If the length on the official site was wrong, why was it up there in the first place? By agreed upon, read Behind the Scenes. That's the length argreed upon, regardless of the films' Star Destroyers' length. And since no length was ever mentioned in the film, all we're doing is GUESSING. And once another source, especially an official source, state the length, that length is to be taken as real.
And the calculations by the person on the website mentioned somewhere along the thread is still his calculation. But it seems like he did get to have a model to measure...

Emperor D. C. Palpatine

Emperor Palpatine wrote:Measuring using the models seem on screen is the most naive way to measure lengths I've ever heard of. You can't tell just from there because you will never know if the Star Destroyer might be miles and miles away.

Stupid fucknut, we know that an ISD is 1.6km long from inside sources,
in ILM who made the models, and from every official source, so it's a
canon yardstick to use to measure the Executor, so shut the fuck up
you retarded fucknut.

MKSheppard wrote:Stupid fucknut, we know that an ISD is 1.6km long from inside sources,
in ILM who made the models, and from every official source, so it's a
canon yardstick to use to measure the Executor, so shut the fuck up
you retarded fucknut.

For that matter, the bridges are identical in size (at least the hexagonal structure) along with their scanner globes. This allows us to generate a ratio of sizes. If our person claims that the SSD is merely 12.8-km in length, he must then explain why an ISD is not 1.6-km in length.

Darth Servo wrote:This pic usually shuts people up prety fast

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/fleet.jpg

Just try to tell me the Executor isn't at least 10 times as long as the ISD in from of it.

I was looking for that one. Irrefutable canonical evidence for the SSD being at least 17 km long. Visual images from the actual films speak louder than anything else.

The ISD is in FRONT of the Executor, for Christ's sake! That means it's relatively LARGER than it would be were it at the same distance!

Some people are just re-tah-ded.

phongn wrote:

MKSheppard wrote:Stupid fucknut, we know that an ISD is 1.6km long from inside sources,
in ILM who made the models, and from every official source, so it's a
canon yardstick to use to measure the Executor, so shut the fuck up
you retarded fucknut.

For that matter, the bridges are identical in size (at least the hexagonal structure) along with their scanner globes. This allows us to generate a ratio of sizes. If our person claims that the SSD is merely 12.8-km in length, he must then explain why an ISD is not 1.6-km in length.

On that note, the RPG books present yet another flaw--they have the sensor globes on the Executor's bridge tower being towards the rear of the tower, not the front like the films clearly show. Why they persist in their moronic misinformation is baffling.

Excuse me, but:
"The size of a Super Star Destroyer has vacillated in numerous publications, starting with an eight-kilometer length in 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. The latest measurements peg the craft at about 12,800 meters."
So officially the previous official lenght was wrong. Why was it changed? Because fans said it contradicted the visuals (based on measurement methods you labelled as naive). Starwars.com does not say that it is correct or even final (only the diplomatic "latest" which can be override at any time). As you can see official can change extremely at any time.
The fan fiction is on a lower level than official. However when official contradicts fan-fiction based only on the visualization and well known physical (optical in this case) laws, most of us use the figure closer to the visualization, especially when it is supported by the modellers who actually did what we saw.

Baron Scarpia wrote:The ISD is in FRONT of the Executor, for Christ's sake! That means it's relatively LARGER than it would be were it at the same distance!

Some people are just re-tah-ded.

That and they don't want to admit that they're wrong.