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Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm tempted to round them up to at least a million, with several tens of trillions of soldiers at least.

I'm not really, given the sorry state of the republic and how they where faring against them, and the acute need for troops the Vong have now.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm tempted to round them up to at least a million, with several tens of trillions of soldiers at least.

I'm not really, given the sorry state of the republic and how they where faring against them, and the acute need for troops the Vong have now.

The Republic simply could NOT have been THAT wasted.

They couldn't have even patrolled their own territory and such. I believe by now they've mostly recovered since the Black Fleet Crisis low, when they were mostly just the Core Worlds.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm tempted to round them up to at least a million, with several tens of trillions of soldiers at least.

I'm not really, given the sorry state of the republic and how they where faring against them, and the acute need for troops the Vong have now.

The Republic simply could NOT have been THAT wasted.

They couldn't have even patrolled their own territory and such. I believe by now they've mostly recovered since the Black Fleet Crisis low, when they were mostly just the Core Worlds.

I don't think they recovered that well either, I think that this is the best way really, the EU minimalism is simply too much otherwise I think, and this is the best way of rationalizing it.

There's other ways of rationalizing it, that the NR refuses to commit large troop/fleet concentrations to single large battles and insists on smaller skirmishes and little battles by paradigm, and that much of the NR fleet was tied to its particular region by the home senator and such.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:There's other ways of rationalizing it, that the NR refuses to commit large troop/fleet concentrations to single large battles and insists on smaller skirmishes and little battles by paradigm, and that much of the NR fleet was tied to its particular region by the home senator and such.

Well one troublesome thing is the Droid army incident, Lando's droids, how many where they going to order hmm? Oh a million or two...

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:There's other ways of rationalizing it, that the NR refuses to commit large troop/fleet concentrations to single large battles and insists on smaller skirmishes and little battles by paradigm, and that much of the NR fleet was tied to its particular region by the home senator and such.

Well one troublesome thing is the Droid army incident, Lando's droids, how many where they going to order hmm? Oh a million or two...

What droid army now?

A million or two "units" perhaps? And since we haven't seen a mass-deployment of them anyway, I think they're being used as commando support, and glorified bodyguards and security for sensitive locations and individuals.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What droid army now?

A million or two "units" perhaps? And since we haven't seen a mass-deployment of them anyway, I think they're being used as commando support, and glorified bodyguards and security for sensitive locations and individuals.

Landos droids and the unit explanation wasn't possible there.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What droid army now?

A million or two "units" perhaps? And since we haven't seen a mass-deployment of them anyway, I think they're being used as commando support, and glorified bodyguards and security for sensitive locations and individuals.

Landos droids and the unit explanation wasn't possible there.

Then it is just as I said. They turned out to be another dead-end plot point needlessly injected into the NJO and never followed up on. The orders got buried in bueracracy and the procured ones became glorified commandos/bodyguards, as we've seen. No contradiction.

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Durran Korr wrote:Well, despite Imperial fanboy claims to the contrary, the Vong would be a difficult fight for even a competent government, unlike the NR.

What? With the Empire at it's height, well thats like Iraq trying to invade the USA.
And thats no fanboyism either, it's objective facts.

The only fanboyism is in blowing the Yuuzhan Vong up to unrealistic proportions, the facts are that they are weak and small, their total fleet is infitesimal compared to the Imperial fleet at it's height(22 million ships and trillions of soldiers vs. 1-200k ships and a few billion soldiers) and there are no political cracks for them to exploit anymore.

This much was acknowledged by the Vong themselves.

Did I say the Empire would lose? Hell no. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be the cakewalk that some people make it out to be; losses in the initial stages of the war would be heavy.

Call a freaking mofference. Sorry had to put that in, i've been itching to since i saw it today.

Anyway, in all serriousness. Get a meeting with Paellaeon, whoever is in charge of the Yeveatha, and the queen of Hapes. Clue them in on the situation, Provide them with full intelligence on the YV and sign a treaty for mutual defence. Then have a meeting with the NR fleet Admirals, inform them of the situation and have them design battle threat analysis etc and from that have them design a mock sim of what we can expect the YV to field. From that get the top scientists in the NR to design better ships to deal with the YV ships. When the Time for battle comes try and capture a few Coral Skippers to reverse engineere. By no means tell the Jedi anything or let them near any planning. The Jedi are lose cannon and likely to do dumb shit. Also if possible quietly kill those who are a thread to your powerbase.

Since this is post Hand of Thrawn there's peace with the Imperial Remament I'd immediately inform them of it. They'd be a valuable ally if it came to war. I'd also sign mutal defense treaties with the Hapes Cluster, Coperate Sector Authority, Chiss and any other independent power I can actually trust.


Next I'd take step to limit any fleet not under my control. I'd make the recent Bothan Crisis as a pre-text and I'd seize fleets if I had to.

After that I'd begin a major military build up. I'd make mid to heavy ships as they'd be best suited for the mass fleet battles that would be coming up. Not necessarilly Imperial designs as those might give people the wrong ideas but something. Id also begin building up my ground forces and planetary defenses along the potential landing front. That and add some heavy ground equipment like we see at Hoth or Geonosis.

I'd also begin regular and random sweeps of the potential landing front. Preposition fleets and forces to react quickly to any Vong threat.

Then execute a quick smash and grab against the Yevetha and Ssi-Ruuk. Take them totally out of the picture. Or better yet try and channel the Vong into Ruuk territory. Mutal annihilation.

Once they finally show up, simply have my fleet stand by. Offer real negotiations and make it clear that they won't get so much as an asteroid without my consent. If they don't comply smash them into dust.

The Vong would see the Ssi- Ruvvi as the ultimate abomination. They use sentient souls and make them power the devil machine. By the time the Vong have finished the Ruvvi off you know where they are and they are bottled up.

1. Tell the IR what the bloody hell is going on, and quietly spread the word to other powers as well.
2. Get rid of the Advisory Council. These guys can cause nothing but trouble.
3. Inform the Jedi of the invasion, and make it clear that negotiation is not an available option. They are useful, if only to figure out where theres a YV infiltrator.
4. Quietly gear up for major war, and keep as many scout ships (read: the ships with the best sensors and hyperdrives available) as possible watching the frontier.
5. Keep at least three ISDs within a couple of hours of possible trouble spots.
6. Find and kill Nom Anor. He must not be allowed to tie up valuable cap-ships dealing with his minor revolutions.
7. Try to find techniques for dealing with the Vong in ship-to-ship combat as fast as possible.
8. Get Balmorra Arms (assuming they're still around) to mass-produced SD-9 and -10 ward droids.
9. After these steps are complete, make sure that any invasion attempt is throughly crushed, and let the YV know that they aren't welcome.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The armies and navies you just mobilized are almost entirely in the NR's hands. Face it: there's no way that the Empire's 8 sectors and thousand member worlds can support an infrastructure to support and military capable of challenging even a half-hearted NR, much less a fully-mobolized New Republic.

Yes, THEY ARE! That's the whole point. They in fact are NR ships and almost completely NR complement (as I said, a few Imp advisors or instructors,) just that we try to pretend they aren't, and see how long we can maintain this charade.

The world is made of idiots. Most people don't have the time or inclination to seriously doubt whether the IR really can support all the "illegal" ships we just pretended to accuse them of having - as long as we play our PR right.

I'd build as many big warships as I can, and by big, I mean BIG!! As many Home One-type battleships and Defender-class ships as I can get away with, but with weapons and shields customized to fight against Vong.

I'd also do my best to start a New Republic equivalent of the Stormtrooper Corps, if such thing does not exist.

But before the militarization, I'll have to convince the population that it is necessary.

1. Refuse to act.
2. Waffle over the morality of violence to deter slaughter.
3. Target the Jedi for destruction; I don't like them much.
4. Kill that Skywalker fellow. Always upstaging me.
5. Say, "Hi!" to my new neighbors! Bring a bundt cake!

Axis Kast wrote:1. Refuse to act.
2. Waffle over the morality of violence to deter slaughter.
3. Target the Jedi for destruction; I don't like them much.
4. Kill that Skywalker fellow. Always upstaging me.
5. Say, "Hi!" to my new neighbors! Bring a bundt cake!

Your a moron.

I was kidding. Borsk Fey'lya ring a bell?

And it's, "You're a moron." You know. Just in case you wanted to get it right.

You need practice.

Axis Kast wrote:I was kidding. Borsk Fey'lya ring a bell?

And it's, "You're a moron." You know. Just in case you wanted to get it right.

Ok then. You're a moron. Happy now you nitpicking cunt.