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If they were to show up, they would have to show up towards the end because the VSD almost didn't see the Clone Wars

Cpt_Frank wrote:At most the Z-95, (though it became canon when E-I came out.)

Wait, what? Did I miss something? Or is this like that post a while back that said the Powerloader from Aliens was built from an army prototype?

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:

Cpt_Frank wrote:At most the Z-95, (though it became canon when E-I came out.)

Wait, what? Did I miss something? Or is this like that post a while back that said the Powerloader from Aliens was built from an army prototype?

The Z-95 "Headhunter" is mentioned in the novelization of TPM by a republic veteran as the best fighter. It does not contradict with the movie because it happaned before the point when the movie actually starts. So, at least the name is canon.

Cpt_Frank wrote: 'course it's pretty unlikely we'll see any of the EU ships.

Okay, but I really like the appearance of the Hunchback Battlecruiser.

Frank Hipper wrote:I thought the VSD dated from some developement artwork before it was mentioned in the EU.

Doesn't the same apply to the Immobilizer-418??

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: You MUST be kidding. The ROTJ space battle is perhaps the greatest spacebattles ever to grace the silver screen. I certainly haven't seen a space battle on that SCALE ever before. Interesting too, even 20 years after ROTJ (happy anniversary ROTJ!), with all this new technology in a film-makers hands (looking at yo GL), no one has yet to surpass the ROTJ SBs excellence.

I was impressed at the time, and I still like the look of it now, but the fact remains that the big ships just sit there doing positively nothing while fighters flit about. Totally unlike the battle described in the book, and I'd say not want George Lucas was thinking about when he first envisaged it.

- We saw no engagements in between the opposing capital ships- even though these are described in the novelization in detail.
- The Executor dies the cheapest death ever, we don't see it do anything before it goes down, nor do we see the concentration of firepower that drops the bridge shields.
- We don't see a single Rebel ship destroyed by an ISD whatsoever, and at the same time, the only Star Destroyer that we see getting nailed is a long range shot off in the distance.
- There were not nearly enough Rebel ships to make the engagement an impressive battle, not to mention that Lucasfilm didn't have the time to make all the distinctive Calamari Cruisers that it wanted too (they only completed some three models, and in th SE they merely duplicated them a few times to add a few extra ships)
- The fighter combat is cool, but apart from that- meh.

Actually, there is a breif engagment between the Executor and a Nebulon-B during the battle, its only a couple of seconds long, but it's the only capship-to-capship battle we've seen in the trilogies.

And you've got to remember, the technology at the time sort of limited what GL could do with the battle. I'd imagine it would be very expensive then (as it is today) to have a hundred capships floating about blasting each other into scrap; verses fifty fighters zooming around shooting at each other.

Poor, poor Executor, her death was an unfitting one (and spawned inumerable Trekkie arguments, "A SSD can be killed by a single fighter!"), but oh well, you win some you lose some.

It is important to note that GL didn't change a single thing about the battle in the SE.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Actually, there is a breif engagment between the Executor and a Nebulon-B during the battle, its only a couple of seconds long, but it's the only capship-to-capship battle we've seen in the trilogies.

And you've got to remember, the technology at the time sort of limited what GL could do with the battle. I'd imagine it would be very expensive then (as it is today) to have a hundred capships floating about blasting each other into scrap; verses fifty fighters zooming around shooting at each other.

Poor, poor Executor, her death was an unfitting one (and spawned inumerable Trekkie arguments, "A SSD can be killed by a single fighter!"), but oh well, you win some you lose some.

It is important to note that GL didn't change a single thing about the battle in the SE.

A few Calamari Cruisers were cloned, and in the end shot of the MF flying towards the fleet after leaving the DS2, the shot was clearly changed to make the fleet look bigger. But apart from that yeah.

Darth Yoshi wrote:Why are Twi'leks so desirable? I find them so, but I can't figure out why?

Well, if the YT-2400 made it into the SE ANH, and Coruscant made it into TPM, why not the VSD?

Coruscant wasn't an EU concept, It was one of GL planet concepts that he couldn't include in SW. McQuarrie's pic of the City planet I think date back to 1976.

You don't necessarily need a big space battle scene to know that the clone wars are over....all you need is the emperor being coronated in full ceremony with Vader at his side.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Coruscant wasn't an EU concept, It was one of GL planet concepts that he couldn't include in SW. McQuarrie's pic of the City planet I think date back to 1976.

The idea for a city-planet was that of GL's. But it was originally called "Had Abbadon," instead of Coruscant.

From the Annotated Screenplays:

"Of course, I had a million names for the home planet for the Empire, but Corsucant came out of [Lucasfilm] Publishing." - George Lucas.

He is, of course, reffering to Zahn's works, for there teh name Coruscant was originally made.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:

Darth Yoshi wrote:Why are Twi'leks so desirable? I find them so, but I can't figure out why?

Well, if the YT-2400 made it into the SE ANH, and Coruscant made it into TPM, why not the VSD?

Coruscant wasn't an EU concept, It was one of GL planet concepts that he couldn't include in SW. McQuarrie's pic of the City planet I think date back to 1976.

McQuarrie did a production painting of the floating Imperial City on the capital Alderaan, the basic design of which was later used for Cloud City in ESB.

Later on McQuarrie started doing paintings for the city planet Imperial Capital during the pre-production of Return of the Jedi in 1980 or 81, before it was dropped from the story.

At that time the planet which would later be christened Couruscant by Timothy Zahn was called Had Abbadon.

Actually, McQuarrie's original sparkling, golden city planet devolved into a polluted, dark, dingy, less populated, and shrouded in clouds world called Had Abbadon.

This concept was abandoned for ROTJ.

Later, WEG revived the Imperial capital world as Imperial Center, but were not specific whether this was McQuarrie's original golden planet or dark Had Abbadon.

Then, in '91, Zahn wrote Heir to the Empire and took inspiration from both McQuarrie's golden city world and Foundation's Trantor and named it Coruscant.

Eh, close enough.