The Reign of Trump

[Raw Shark]

I'm basically just in full-on, "What the fuck?" mode at this point.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Welcome to Fascist America, folks. It gets worse:
Congressman pushes amendment to allow Trump a 3rd term — but not Obama, Clinton or Bush
I told you they'd go after the 22nd amendment, they're doing it sooner rather than later

[Eternal_Freedom]

On the funny side, Trump (and MAGA in general) supporting this would mean he'd have to admit he lost in 2020. And I just can't see him doing that ever.

[Solauren]

On the funny side, Trump (and MAGA in general) supporting this would mean he'd have to admit he lost in 2020. And I just can't see him doing that ever.

"I Lost, because it was STOLEN." Admitting to the loss, but blaming someone else. Trump style.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Ah shit, good point.

[bilateralrope]

Welcome to Fascist America, folks. It gets worse:
Congressman pushes amendment to allow Trump a 3rd term — but not Obama, Clinton or Bush
I told you they'd go after the 22nd amendment, they're doing it sooner rather than later

It's unlikely to succeed

The amendment process is very difficult and time consuming: A proposed amendment must be passed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. The ERA Amendment did not pass the necessary majority of state legislatures in the 1980s. Another option to start the amendment process is that two-thirds of the state legislatures could ask Congress to call a Constitutional Convention.

Democrats in Congress are enough to kill it on their own. The same goes for Democrats in the Senate. If it gets past both of them, that still needs 38 state legislatures to ratify it. All before Trump dies.

[LadyTevar]

ICE raids Chicago Elementary School

UPDATE: The U.S. Secret Service said the encounter was actually agents conducting a "protective intelligence investigation."

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were seen at a Chicago school Friday afternoon, according to officials with the city's public school district, though a spokesperson for the agency denied such an encounter.

According to Chicago Public Schools' chief education officer, ICE agents were present at Hamline Elementary School in Chicago's Back of the Yards neighborhood, though the agents did not detain anyone and left the premises shortly after.

"Earlier today, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents showed up at Hamline Elementary School," Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said during a press conference at the school. "School staff followed CPS established protocols. They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members. Here is the bottom line, our students and staff are safe. Our protocols were followed."

A spokesperson for ICE, however, said "this was not an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement encounter." Chicago police also said they "did not receive any calls for service at that location" and the Cook County Sheriff's office denied any involvement.

In an interview with MSNBC shortly after the encounter, CPS CEO Pedro Martinez said the agents "presented credentials and shared that they were from ICE."

"They showed credentials to my staff," Martinez said again after being informed of the ICE spokesperson's response.

[bilateralrope]

Either they have forged credentials or ICE showing up isn't a "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement encounter".

[EnterpriseSovereign]

I guess there were some secret service agents suddenly at a loose end, what with Trump revoking protection from Pompeo and Hook.

President Trump revoked security protection for his former secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, and a former top aide despite warnings from the Biden administration that both men faced ongoing threats from Iran because of actions they took on Mr. Trump’s behalf, four people with knowledge of the matter said on Thursday.

Mr. Pompeo and the aide, Brian Hook, had been part of an aggressive posture against Iran during the first Trump presidency, most notably the drone strike that killed the powerful Iranian general Qassim Suleimani in early 2020.

Mr. Trump also remains under threat because of General Suleimani’s killing, and his advisers have stressed the seriousness of the situation in the years between his two terms in office. Mr. Trump repeatedly asked for more protection during those years, including seeking military assets for the final months of the campaign because of the threats from Iran. That kind of protection is usually reserved only for a sitting president.

Mr. Trump revoked the State Department security details for Mr. Pompeo and Mr. Hook on Wednesday, according to a person familiar with the matter, a move that came two days after he pulled the Secret Service detail for John R. Bolton, his former national security adviser.

Asked by a reporter on Thursday about the pulling of security details, Mr. Trump said: “When you have protection, you can’t have it for the rest of your life.”

He added, “I mean, there’s risks to everything.” He did not respond to a question about whether presidents should have protection for the rest of their lives.

Other than former presidents and their spouses, senior U.S. officials are not automatically granted ongoing protection. Protection levels are a function of the threat assessment from the intelligence community. The Biden administration had briefed the new administration about continued threats from Iran to former Trump officials, including Mr. Pompeo, Mr. Hook and Mr. Bolton, according to a person with knowledge of the matter, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the security issue.

Mr. Bolton said he was also personally notified about the threats.

“As recently as the end of last week, two separate government representatives, two separate government agencies called,” he said in an interview. “They said our current assessment is that the threat level remains the same” as in 2022, he said, when a member of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was charged with an alleged murder plot against Mr. Bolton.

Mr. Hook and a spokesman for Mr. Pompeo declined to comment.

Mr. Trump’s decision in all three cases “will have a chilling effect on his emerging national security team,” said Dr. Charles Kupperman, who served as a deputy national security adviser under Mr. Bolton during Mr. Trump’s first term.

“His new team will face many serious national security decisions that will carry far into the future and their post-government security could easily require long-term security protection based on their recommendations to Trump and the decisions that follow,” Dr. Kupperman said. “Trump’s national security team must provide guidance based on their assessment of what needs to be done to protect America without regard to their personal security.”

Several Republican senators on Capitol Hill either declined to comment or avoided a reporter seeking to ask questions about Mr. Trump’s decision regarding Mr. Pompeo.

Senator Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, had terse remarks: “We know that there have been known threats made by the government of Iran against him. I don’t know what the recommendations were that were given to the president as to why he would take the security item away.”

The threat from Iran has been a serious security consideration for U.S. officials. In the fall of 2024, President Joseph R. Biden Jr. had his aides warn the Iranians that assassinating a former U.S. government official would be considered an act of war, a former senior administration official said. That warning included Mr. Trump, who complained that Mr. Biden was not doing enough to deter Iran by keeping the warnings private.

Shortly after Election Day in November, the Justice Department filed charges against a man who was allegedly tapped by Iran to carry out a murder-for-hire plot to kill Mr. Trump.

Mr. Bolton parted with the first Trump administration on bad terms, wrote a tell-all book about his tenure and has been deeply critical of Mr. Trump. But it is less clear why the president would order the removal of the security details for Mr. Pompeo and Mr. Hook, who have been supportive of him.

Mr. Pompeo briefly considered running for president himself, and suggested that voters wanted solutions, “not tweets,” an oblique reference to Mr. Trump’s use of social media for rapid-fire posts. But that was about as far as the criticism went. Mr. Pompeo endorsed Mr. Trump in 2024, and was deeply critical of Mr. Biden throughout his presidency.

In an interview with the Fox News host Sean Hannity that aired Wednesday night, Mr. Trump suggested Mr. Pompeo was the reason he did not release files about President John F. Kennedy’s assassination during his first term. People who have spoken with Mr. Pompeo over the past six years were perplexed by that statement and said it wasn’t based in fact.

Nonetheless, Mr. Trump has told people he does not want anyone working for him who worked under Mr. Pompeo in his first term. He removed Mr. Hook as a presidential appointee to the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars via a social media post days ago.

Edward Wong and Maya C. Miller contributed reporting.

A correction was made on Jan. 23, 2025: An earlier version of this article misstated the day that President Trump was said to have revoked the security details for Mike Pompeo and a former Pompeo aide. A person familiar with the matter said it was Wednesday, not Tuesday.

[bilateralrope]

Turns out that it wasn't ICE. It was the secret service, with an even worse reason.

Secret Service Agents — Not ICE — Denied Entry At Chicago School Despite Initial Reports, CPS Source Says

CPS officials initially said agents who identified themselves as ICE arrived at Hamline Elementary School in Back of the Yards Friday, but it was actually Secret Service agents looking for an 11-year-old who posted an anti-Trump video, a CPS source said.

by Francia Garcia Hernandez
10 hours ago

BACK OF THE YARDS – U.S. Secret Service agents – not Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents — arrived at a CPS elementary school in Back of the Yards Friday but were turned away by school administrators, officials said.

Secret Service agents from the Chicago Field Office were investigating a threat made against “a government official” protected by the federal agency, said Anthony Guglielmi, chief of communications of the United States Secret Service, in an emailed statement. The agents first visited a home in a local neighborhood and then “made a visit” to Hamline Elementary School, he said.

Chicago Public Schools officials initially reported that ICE agents were turned away at Hamline Elementary School, 1548 W. 48th St., Friday morning. A spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement denied the agency visited the school Friday afternoon, according to the Sun-Times. Instead, the U.S. Secret Service said that it was actually its agents who visited the school.

“Agents identified themselves to the school principal and provided business cards with their contact information. The agents left without incident,” Guglielmi said.

Guglielmi did not provide additional details on the investigation but said the agency does not investigate nor enforce immigration laws.

Federal agents arrived at the school as they were searching for an 11-year-old who posted an anti-Trump video, according to a CPS source. Agents had visited a home and were told the person was a student at Hamline, the source said.

The principal said school administrators followed protocols and did not allow the agents inside the school.

Late Friday, a Chicago Public Schools spokesperson clarified in an emailed statement that its original description of ICE agents showing up at Hamline was “a result of a misunderstanding, reflective of the fear and concerns in the community amid the new administration’s focus on undocumented immigrants.”

CPS said that the two agents showed up at the school door and presented identification that included the name Department of Homeland Security, which oversees both ICE and the Secret Service. CPS said that school officials “proceeded to respond to the agents with the understanding that they were from ICE, amid rumors and reports that the agency was in the community.”

CPS said that school officials followed established protocols by not allowing the agents into the school and prohibiting them from speaking with staff or students. Hamline administrators also worked with the district’s Law Department and Office of Safety and Security,” according to the spokesperson.

“While this was a misunderstanding in terms of the specific branch of DHS, the school’s response demonstrates that our system, in partnership with community organizations, is prepared and ready to keep our students and staff safe,” the CPS statement read.

Mayor Brandon Johnson, in a statement posted on social media late Friday, added: “While people across the city are worried about heightened immigration enforcement, it is imperative that individuals not spread unverified information that sparks fear across the city.”

Students and staff inside the school were safe during the encounter, officials said. More than 90 percent of Hamline’s students are Latino and about two-thirds are English learners, according to district data.

“They kept the … agents outside of the school and contacted CPS’ Law Department and CPS’ Office of Safety and Security for further guidance,” CPS spokesperson Mary Ann Fergus said in an emailed statement.

Agents “were not permitted to speak to any students or staff,” Fergus said. “Teaching and learning continued throughout the day at Hamline.”

Hamline Elementary School Principal Natasha Ortega said the school’s security and clerks followed the district’s protocols.

“Due to that, we were able to ensure the safety of our school and all of our students,” Ortega said.

Chicago’s welcoming city status, also known as sanctuary city status, has been at the center of President Donald Trump’s mass deportation threats. Last month, Trump’s hand-picked “border czar” Tom Homan said his mass deportation efforts will “start right here in Chicago” as he threatened local officials to open the city and its county jail to the will of federal immigration agents.

Earlier this week, Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools and facilities “unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a federal judge,” as outlined in its policies. School officials won’t allow ICE agents access based on administrative warrants, ICE detainers” or other document issued by an agency enforcing civil immigration law,” officials said.

The district will also host 25 know-your-rights trainings across the school district in the coming days, said Fanny Diego Alvarez, chief officer for CPS’ Office of Family and Community Engagement.

Parents can view Chicago Public Schools’ guidelines here. This webpage will be updated frequently to provide the most current information, school officials said.

A secret service visit because they were looking for an 11 year old girl who posted an anti-Trump video.

[LadyTevar]

Hegseth Confirmed on Tie-Breaker Vote

What surprised me is Mitch "Turtle" McConnell was one of 3 GOP who voted against Hegseth. VP Vance had to vote to break the tie, which is his job as VP.
So, by the skin of his teeth, Hegseth is now SecDef.
I wonder how many Generals are going to actually listen to him.

[bilateralrope]

What surprised me is Mitch "Turtle" McConnell was one of 3 GOP who voted against Hegseth

Hasn't McConnell said something about his plans to retire ?

Which means he doesn't fear a Trump backed challenger in his next primary.

[LadyTevar]

What surprised me is Mitch "Turtle" McConnell was one of 3 GOP who voted against Hegseth

Hasn't McConnell said something about his plans to retire ?

Which means he doesn't fear a Trump backed challenger in his next primary.

I don't know if he's retiring or not. If he is, I hope he decides to be as stubborn an asshole as he was to Obama and muck up as many of Trump's bills as possible.

[Solauren]

And so it begins....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/im ... rcna189353

Immigration enforcement operations ramp up in cities across the U.S.
Border czar Tom Homan told NBC News that several people with criminal convictions were apprehended in Chicago.

Trump immigration crackdown expands as ICE begins Chicago operation
Jan. 26, 2025, 8:08 PM EST / Updated Jan. 26, 2025, 9:16 PM EST
By Daniella Silva, Gabe Gutierrez and Olympia Sonnier


CHICAGO — Immigration enforcement operations unfolded across multiple cities Sunday, marking what President Donald Trump has called the beginning of an era of mass deportations that would primarily target migrants with criminal backgrounds but in which concerns remain that migrants with no criminal histories will be swept up, as well.

Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, told NBC News on Sunday that several people convicted of serious offenses, including murder and sex crimes, were apprehended. He added that collateral arrests — detentions of people without criminal convictions who were present during the raids — would occur.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement Sunday that its enhanced operations aim to "enforce U.S. immigration law and preserve public safety and national security by keeping potentially dangerous criminal aliens out of our communities.”

The agency later said ICE made 956 arrests Sunday — the largest single-day number to date by the Trump administration. Since Trump was inaugurated Monday, ICE has made at least 2,681 arrests. It was unclear how many of those arrested had criminal histories or convictions.

Homan said the people arrested Sunday in Chicago included six convicted of serious sex offenses, multiple gang members and two others who were previously convicted of murder and aggravated sexual battery.

He also elaborated on the possibility of operations in locations such as churches and schools after Trump rescinded previous long-standing guidance that had designated such areas as “sensitive locations.” Decisions to enter those spaces would be made on a “case-by-case basis,” Homan said.

“We’ve got to put America’s safety first,” said Homan, who was in Chicago for the enforcement operations.

The Washington Post reported Sunday, citing four people with knowledge, that Trump officials have directed ICE officials to arrest 1,200 to 1,500 people a day, up from a few hundred.

Asked about the reporting, Homan told NBC News the goal is to “get as many criminals as possible.”

“I don’t have a quota,” he said. “My instructions to them: Arrest as many as you can.”

Follow along for live updates

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson said in a post on X that Chicago police were not involved in the “enforcement activity.”

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker express mixed feelings about the enforcement actions. Pritzker said Sunday on CNN that he supports deporting people convicted of violent crimes but disagrees with targeting law-abiding people.

"Why are we going after them?" he asked. "These are not people who are causing problems in our country, and what we need is a path to citizenship for them.
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“We need to secure our border. We need to get rid of the violent criminals, but we also need to protect people, at least the residents of Illinois and all across the nation who are just doing what we hope that immigrants will do,” he added.

Drug Enforcement Administration offices in other cities said on social media Sunday that the agency helped conduct operations that arrested or detained people in the country illegally.

The DEA's Rocky Mountain Division said it, along with its federal and local partners, conducted an operation at a “makeshift nightclub” early Sunday in Adams County, Colorado, where nearly 50 people in the country without authorization were taken into custody.

The DEA said many of them had connections to the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.

A spokesperson for the agency said later Sunday that at least 100 law enforcement officers took part in the early morning raid and that the operation had a federal search warrant.

The DEA said that 49 people were in the location when the warrant was served and that 41 of them were found to be in the country without authorization. The officer did not release any other information about the statuses of the 41, other than that they were a mix of men and women and that they were taken to a nearby ICE processing facility.

The officer said that several handguns, as well as cash and drugs, were found at the scene and that gang members there “were trying to flood the Denver metro area with fake fentanyl pills.”

The investigation into the nightclub has been ongoing since August under the Biden administration, the officer said.

In California, the DEA’s Los Angeles division said on social media that it was assisting other federal agencies with “enhanced targeted operations throughout” the city. The agency's office in San Diego also said it was assisting with immigration enforcement efforts.

The DEA’s Phoenix division and its Atlanta division also both said on social media that they were assisting with immigration operation efforts.

Homeland Security Investigations in Miami said in a post on X that it also worked with other agencies to enforce immigration laws.

In a series of posts on social media Sunday, the White House said ICE agents arrested several people in the last few days who it said have been convicted or suspected of or wanted in connection with crimes.

The arrests were made by ICE divisions in Washington, California, Louisiana, New York and other states, the posts said

I'm actually torn about this enforcement.

There are illegal immigrants in any country, that have committed serious crimes and have evaded deportation, and should be found and removed.
BUT, there is no way 'sweeps' are not going to get people that shouldn't be targeted.

[Ralin]

I'm actually torn about this enforcement.

There are illegal immigrants in any country, that have committed serious crimes and have evaded deportation, and should be found and removed.

How's about just trying and convicting the ones that commit serious crimes and ignoring their immigration status completely?

[Tribble]

[quote=Solauren post_id=4145170 time=<a href="tel:1737947589">1737947589</a> user_id=1769]
I'm actually torn about this enforcement.

There are illegal immigrants in any country, that have committed serious crimes and have evaded deportation, and should be found and removed.

How's about just trying and convicting the ones that commit serious crimes and ignoring their immigration status completely?
[/quote]

While that Trump and Republicans are trying to do is obviously over the line, breaking the law to enter and live in a country is not exactly an endearing trait. It certainly isn’t fair compared to all the people who did things properly and legitimately immigrated into the country (including refugees). Unless of course you were forced to enter the country against your will, via human trafficking and what not. Then that’s obviously not your fault.

Should the laws be changed so that anyone without a serious criminal record is allowed to enter and live in the country at will? Perhaps, but until there is enough public pressure to change those laws, that’s not how it is at the moment.

If you deliberately chose to illegally enter a country to try and skip the queue, then you shouldn’t be surprised that you might get deported one day. And you also shouldn’t be surprised that a lot of people may not trust you and may not have much sympathy for you because you deliberately broke the law right off the bat to get there.

Children are of course another story, since again it’s not their fault that their parents decided to come to the country illegally, so they shouldn’t have to suffer for it.

EDIT: and I’m not gonna go into the whole “North American countries are illegitimate to begin with therefore their laws aren’t valid” shtick. Even assuming that is correct, for the foreseeable future people in North American countries are not going to be willing to voluntarily dissolve themselves and eliminate things like immigration status entirely, so it’s not really worth debating atm IMO.

[Ralin]

While that Trump and Republicans are trying to do is obviously over the line, breaking the law to enter and live in a country is not exactly an endearing trait. It certainly isn’t fair compared to all the people who did things properly and legitimately immigrated into the country (including refugees). Unless of course you were forced to enter the country against your will, via human trafficking and what not. Then that’s obviously not your fault.

You're using a lot of words but you're not really saying much. As an immigrant myself I don't care about whether it's 'fair' that someone else managed to move without jumping through the same hoops as me and I really don't believe you care either.

If you deliberately chose to illegally enter a country to try and skip the queue, then you shouldn’t be surprised that you might get deported one day. And you also shouldn’t be surprised that a lot of people may not trust you and may not have much sympathy for you because you deliberately broke the law right off the bat to get there.

Again, lot of words but not saying much. Why should I or anyone else give a shit because some people ~broke the law~ moving to the US? Describe the actual problem that doesn't boil down to your fee-fees at the thought of someone somewhere jumping the queue lines. Because it sounds like you're saying that Trump and the Republicans want to go full bore on suspending democracy and purging the country of undesirables and that you as a reasonable person just want a li'l purging and anti-democracy.

Like, you do get that a democratic government is one that represents the people who live there, right? Not one that represents a special class of people who are above the dredges that didn't jump through the right hoops and get the right paperwork.

[Zwinmar]

"Illegals!!!!!111!!", yeah that is a load of bullshit. You cannot consider yourself intelligent if you buy into that propaganda. It is legal for someone to make their way into the country and request asylum at a later date, they do not have to report to the border. But nah, just claim all brown people are illegals instead of actually talking with them, without due process or any other trappings of law. The reality is this whole 'border crisis' is nothing but fascist rhetoric to get the 'right' people in power. I have a bad feeling that we in the beginning stages of a new McCarthy era that is only the tip of a really big shitburg that is leading to death camps. I am positive that the work camps are already being set up.

Always comes down to Nazi asshats doing Nazi shit don't it? fuckers can't stay in their hole and keep their ignorant murderous opinions to themselves, they have to try to infect everyone else.

[Solauren]

Counter point for you then Zwinmar:

According to
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum

"To apply for asylum affirmatively or defensively, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within 1 year of your arrival to the United States"

So, it someone is in the United States for more then 365 days, and hasn't requested asylum, THAT would make them in the country illegally.

[Ralin]

So, it someone is in the United States for more then 365 days, and hasn't requested asylum, THAT would make them in the country illegally.

And you say that like you think you are making some kind of point about why it matters.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

"Illegals!!!!!111!!", yeah that is a load of bullshit. You cannot consider yourself intelligent if you buy into that propaganda. It is legal for someone to make their way into the country and request asylum at a later date, they do not have to report to the border. But nah, just claim all brown people are illegals instead of actually talking with them, without due process or any other trappings of law. The reality is this whole 'border crisis' is nothing but fascist rhetoric to get the 'right' people in power. I have a bad feeling that we in the beginning stages of a new McCarthy era that is only the tip of a really big shitburg that is leading to death camps. I am positive that the work camps are already being set up.

Always comes down to Nazi asshats doing Nazi shit don't it? fuckers can't stay in their hole and keep their ignorant murderous opinions to themselves, they have to try to infect everyone else.

Especially ironic considering this is Holocaust Memorial Day.

[Ralin]

Especially ironic considering this is Holocaust Memorial Day.

Careful man. It's antisemitic to imply that the Holocaust wasn't the most special and horrible atrocity ever by comparing it to any other genocide or ethnic cleansing.

[Tribble]

"Illegals!!!!!111!!", yeah that is a load of bullshit. You cannot consider yourself intelligent if you buy into that propaganda. It is legal for someone to make their way into the country and request asylum at a later date, they do not have to report to the border. But nah, just claim all brown people are illegals instead of actually talking with them, without due process or any other trappings of law. The reality is this whole 'border crisis' is nothing but fascist rhetoric to get the 'right' people in power. I have a bad feeling that we in the beginning stages of a new McCarthy era that is only the tip of a really big shitburg that is leading to death camps. I am positive that the work camps are already being set up.

Always comes down to Nazi asshats doing Nazi shit don't it? fuckers can't stay in their hole and keep their ignorant murderous opinions to themselves, they have to try to infect everyone else.

Especially ironic considering this is Holocaust Memorial Day.

Ralin raised some interesting questions that I thought were worth debating.

Should there be some kind of patrol for the border, and to what degree? Should there even be a border?

Should people who willingly choose to enter and stay in a country against that country’s laws be allowed to stay in the country and eventually citizenship anyways? Note this does not include people who came into the country unwillingly due to human trafficking, or being children etc. Or people who, as has been pointed out, have a set timeframe to go and claim asylum.

If people do not claim asylum and simply choose to stay in the country anyways, should there be any consequences?

If people come into the country on false pretences (e.g. having temp student visa when it is their actual intention just to stay) should there be consequences?

Should there be a statute of limitations if someone illegally immigrates?

Can there be a nuance of enforcement between “there shouldn’t really be a border and people should be allowed to enter and leave as they please with full rights” and “put children into cages and setup death camps?” What would that ideal be?

All of which is worthy of discussion IMO.

But no, naturally both of you immediately accused me of being a Nazi who thinks all brown people are illegal, that I don’t care about due process and that I support death camps.

[Ralin]

Do you think people should be imprisoned or kicked out of the country for speeding tickets? Not carrying lD? Jaywalking? No? Why is being an undocumented migrant worse than that? We're not talking about a violent crime or theft. We're talking about paperwork. Really expensive paperwork that is frequently delayed indefinitely or denied for bullshit reasons.

If everyone who arrived with a passport was able to stay and work indefinitely so long as they paid fifty bucks to register at the nearest police station and automatically got US citizenship if they managed to go five years without murdering or raping anyone what exactly would be the downside?

But no, naturally both of you immediately accused me of being a Nazi who thinks all brown people are illegal, that I don’t care about due process and that I support death camps.

Look man we have a big racist immigration system that exists largely to purge undesirables and maintain an exploitable floating population of desperate people with fewer legal rights. The Nazi response is "Fuck yeah purge purge purge build the wall!" I don't think "I mean, only get rid of some of them who had a chance to get their paperwork in order but didn't. No surprise that pisses people off" is great either.

[Zwinmar]

People come to the US for a better life, many of them from Latin America where their own country has spend the last century and a half dealing with their government being overthrown and destroyed for the benefit of corporations in the US. They flee death, torture, sexual assault and many other abuses only to arrive in a country where stupid fucks can not and will not read their own laws. Ill say that again: Texas is not following the law.

Everyone in the US, not every citizen -every person, is supposed to have certain rights, due process being one example, yet they are put in front of an immigration court and not given council spoken in a language they do not understand. Said courts have been purposefully sabotaged so they are overwhelmed, as a result their case is not heard, let alone a fair hearing. This has resulted in US citizens being deported.

They already have set up camps and separating families and have been doing such screwed up stuff that their methods where copied by the Nazis, so yeah, the next step is death camps and if you associate and are an apologist for Nazi's then you fucking are one.