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Darth Fanboy wrote:

When coupled with AOTC, it shows an interesting arms race; missiles were better (as of AOTC), then they were surpassed by TLs (as per the OT and a quote from McCallum), and now it appears missiles are coming back into their own again.

Perhaps Turbolaser technology has hit a plateau, whereas Missle technology is reaching newer limits. Its either that or the best explanation left is that these damn EU authors know NOTHING regarding the tech aspects of the ships they write about.

In reality, they know everybit as much as we do as to how the things work. Hell, we know less, as we have to take their descriptions at their word.

Yes we know that, the question is, was the Yevetha population truly wiped out? There has to be at least a few Yevethan population clusters somewhere other than their homeworld.

The end of the Black Fleet Crisis describes mass suicides of the Yevethan species following the defeat. If their religious fundamentalism was half as strong as Cube-McDowell described, this could put a serious dent in their population (think Jonestown multiplied by a dozen orders of magnitude). I wouldn't be surprised if there were so few Yevetha left after the suicides that they all simply relocated to their homeworld.

Ender wrote:Provide a quote where he says Coruscant is not the capital.

Er...he did not think Coruscant was a city-planet.


And bombers cannot take out larger than VSD scale craft on their own, period.

And your assumption that torps can deliver their firepower more efficiently and faster than energy beams is just that--an assumption.

Point is capital killers remain the domain of other capships.

I'm not going into the inane "SW fighters can't replace or outmatch heavy capital ships" debate again.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: And your assumption that torps can deliver their firepower more efficiently and faster than energy beams is just that--an assumption.

The fuck it is. The TLs in the movies do their damage in 1/15 of a second. By definition an explosion releases 90% of it's energy in the first 1/1000th of a second, the remaining 10% throughout the second, as per the Nuclear weapons FAQ.

In terms of raw energy TLs win. But in terms of power for that energy, a missile wins.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Ender wrote:Provide a quote where he says Coruscant is not the capital.

Er...he did not think Coruscant was a city-planet.

He thought it had an ocean, something SBS indicates was manmade after they retook the planet. That is different from not thinking it was a capital planet. If capital planet means city planet to you, I suggest you examine Nar Shadda.

I'm not going into the inane "SW fighters can't replace or outmatch heavy capital ships" debate again.

They can't. Big ships are more efficient in long term because TLs are not ammuntion devices, and require less manhours to maintain. Plus they can keep in station longer, can remain out on deployment longer, etc.

But fighters can pack one hell of a punch, enough to take out smaller ships and severly weaken the biggest. Considering what the empire liked throwing at them, it's a good strategy.

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Ender wrote:Provide a quote where he says Coruscant is not the capital.

Er...he did not think Coruscant was a city-planet.

He thought it had an ocean, something SBS indicates was manmade after they retook the planet. That is different from not thinking it was a capital planet. If capital planet means city planet to you, I suggest you examine Nar Shadda.

Bullshit. I posted a link to his description of Coruscant calling the planetwide city "Imperial propoganda." Search.

P Cube mcwhatever was certainly full of shit.

I think the Vong exterminated the Yevetha because they really didn't want to fight them. Another tall, angry, skeletal, xenophobic warrior race can't be all that fun.

I mean, we didn't invade Japan because they were going to fight to the last child. The Yevetha were the same.

next time try not to ressurect such a dead thread.

I think the Vong exterminated the Yevetha because they really didn't want to fight them. Another tall, angry, skeletal, xenophobic warrior race can't be all that fun.

So the Vong FOUGHT AND EXTERMINATED the Yevetha because they didn't want to FIGHT them? That really doesn't make sense.

1) Vong want to Fight and Kill every machine using species. including the Yevetha. Its part of their crazy religion and also an honor thing, I would guess vong soldiers would gladly seek to prove their combat prowess against the Yevetha.

2) The topic of the thread regards wether the Yevetha were completely exterminated or if there might be isolated colonies and populations existing somewhere off N'zoth.

I think the Vong did solely depopulating orbital bombardments, no ground invasion. N'Zoth was "glassy rubble" or something like that.

I'm betting they just wiped them out. might be a few hidden enclaves, but they just went from a species of Billions to less than ten million. There probably weren't too many traveling the stars, because they can't stand the smell of non-yevetha.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I think the Vong did solely depopulating orbital bombardments, no ground invasion. N'Zoth was "glassy rubble" or something like that.

I'm betting they just wiped them out. might be a few hidden enclaves, but they just went from a species of Billions to less than ten million. There probably weren't too many traveling the stars, because they can't stand the smell of non-yevetha.

there was also a major fleet engagement that youve neglected as well. and thank you for blandly repeating what others have echoed earlier.

Didn't Kube on his website FAQ states that the NR fleets were under the process of rehauling their warships to refit to a more standardised OoB?

That's believable,although one must ask how likely it is for the NR to demobilise so huge a portion of their fleet for this purpose.After all,the US spent over a decade slowly refitting their forces to fit in their new RMA.

Darth Fanboy wrote:In NJO the Yuuzhan Vong attacked and destroyed the Yevethan homeworld. No Yevetha were left save for one who killed himself shortly afterwards.

So does this mean the size and scope of the Yevetha were such that even one such attack was enough to destroy their ENTIRE SPECIES? Or are there possibly other Yevethan ships/colonies/refugees somewhere? It just seems odd to me that a race like that would be limited to one such planet.

The Yevetha also held various colony worlds, and a small cluster of homeplanets, but N'Zoth was clearly their most important world.

Note: It has never been remotely clear to me how the Yevetha were able to threaten the Galaxy, seeing as how their fleet could not stand up to a single task-force of NR warships.

PainRack wrote:Didn't Kube on his website FAQ states that the NR fleets were under the process of rehauling their warships to refit to a more standardised OoB?

So? What does that have to do with anything? Weren't we discussing the Yevetha?

Master of Ossus wrote:

Darth Fanboy wrote:In NJO the Yuuzhan Vong attacked and destroyed the Yevethan homeworld. No Yevetha were left save for one who killed himself shortly afterwards.

So does this mean the size and scope of the Yevetha were such that even one such attack was enough to destroy their ENTIRE SPECIES? Or are there possibly other Yevethan ships/colonies/refugees somewhere? It just seems odd to me that a race like that would be limited to one such planet.

The Yevetha also held various colony worlds, and a small cluster of homeplanets, but N'Zoth was clearly their most important world.

Note: It has never been remotely clear to me how the Yevetha were able to threaten the Galaxy, seeing as how their fleet could not stand up to a single task-force of NR warships.

They had a huge imperial made fleet, and not only did their entire fleet stand up to a NR task force, it took about 2 fleets (chunks of the 3rd and 4th were sent in) and a trick by Luke to beat them AFTER they lost all the imperial ships.

Master of Ossus wrote:Note: It has never been remotely clear to me how the Yevetha were able to threaten the Galaxy, seeing as how their fleet could not stand up to a single task-force of NR warships.

Politics: Spaar was able to nearly manipulate things into getting the Chief of State of the New Republic voted out of office.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Note: It has never been remotely clear to me how the Yevetha were able to threaten the Galaxy, seeing as how their fleet could not stand up to a single task-force of NR warships.

Politics: Spaar was able to nearly manipulate things into getting the Chief of State of the New Republic voted out of office.

Oh, I know that the Yevetha threatened individual worlds, and the NR government officials, but I still don't see how that equates to being a problem for the entire galaxy. The fact of the matter is, they're still only a small star-cluster. They shouldn't have anywhere near the resources required to take on the entire NR, with or without Leia at the helm.

To answer a question in this topic, some one asked who the Yevethan were and where there from. IN 1996-97 the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy came out... he havent really seen them since than and in February 2003 we find out they were wiped out by the Vong in Force Heretic 1: Remant.

The Yevethan was a race in the Koorncacht cluster (deep core) during Palpatines rule the Yevathan were taken as a slave race to the Imperials stationed there, they had limited space travel tech of their own at the time of occupation, there space tech was pretty much a little advanced than ours. picture us just being able to travel to Jupiter with human controlled ships and back. During the ocupation the Yevethan gained the information to build Imperial ships and than started a revolt around 5 years after Endor and the Imps fled.

The Yevethen than diceded that their cluster belonged to them only and then systematicly destroyed "infidel" colonies wiping out entire populations.


Now the topic, In book wise we havent really read about the events of the Yevethan and the NR for around 12 Star Wars years leading up to Force Heretic. Something could have happen to the Yevethan in that time that did force them to flee back to their home system. In Remnant it says that the entire Yevethan system was destroyed when Jaina and her Chiss wingmates enterd the N'Zoth system.

Master of Ossus wrote:Oh, I know that the Yevetha threatened individual worlds, and the NR government officials, but I still don't see how that equates to being a problem for the entire galaxy. The fact of the matter is, they're still only a small star-cluster. They shouldn't have anywhere near the resources required to take on the entire NR, with or without Leia at the helm.

The Black Fleet Crisis is rife with continuity flubs.

We know from other EU sources the NR was sending fleets to Adumar before this and such--yet they have us believe the offensive fleet of the entire NR is worth only 5 or so Imperial Sector Groups.

Apparently the ubership of the NR is now a dinky carrier only 1300 meters long and fighters are given a lot more credit than usual against starships.

And according to Leia the NR has only a 10000 members or so.

Of course this moron thought that the idea of a planet-wide city was "Imperial propoganda." But we'll have to rationalize it nonetheless unfortunately.

but I still don't see how that equates to being a problem for the entire galaxy.

It wasn't.

It was a minor problem, in the grand scheme of things. The Yevetha had the ability to deal a significant blow to one or two worlds, but that was it. To the New Republic - one that was in such a fragile state, no less - this was an important circumstance. Kinda like how the Israel/Palestine situation is so prominent in the world today, despite the fact that it's happening in such a tiny area.

That's why it was a Black Fleet CRISIS, and not a Black Fleet WAR.

I think of it as something similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis. A few weeks of panic, the general public doesn't get to find out much.