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[Darth Wong]

Yeah as easy it is to shred him, have him throughly read the site(he claims to be intelligent let him back this one up by reading first)

Then after a a nice run through, hell the five minute should be a scare enough for him, he still clings to some inane ideas...shred him.

When he says "I believe you made a mistake", he is acting as though he has read what I have to say. If he has [/i]not[/i] read my site, then he is an arrogant child who thinks his arguments are so good that he doesn't even need to bother reading opposing viewpoints thoroughly before attacking them (I suspect he just skimmed it over). If he has read it, he's an idiot for making arguments so easily shredded by its existing contents. There are really only two possibilities here.

[Ghost Rider]

When he says "I believe you made a mistake", he is acting as though he has read what I have to say. If he has [/i]not[/i] read my site, then he is an arrogant child who thinks his arguments are so good that he doesn't even need to bother reading opposing viewpoints thoroughly before attacking them (I suspect he just skimmed it over). If he has read it, he's an idiot for making arguments so easily shredded by its existing contents. There are really only two possibilities here.

Sad but true.

Do you receieve many of these or was this was particularly dumb that you decided that it was funny enough to show above the others?

[YT300000]

Dude, 5 gigatons! Thats almost as much as a LTL!

[Homer Simpson Voice]Dooooooooooh![/Homer Simpson Voice]

LTL are only 6-10 MegaTons. I should have said "Thats almost a quarter as much as a MTL.

[Darth Wong]

Do you receieve many of these or was this was particularly dumb that you decided that it was funny enough to show above the others?

I receive countless messages like this. This one was only noteworthy because of its length; normally they limit themselves to a single dumb-ass paragraph like "How do you think Imperial shields will handle something like a quantum torpedo, which is even more powerful than a photon torpedo and uses zero-point energy, against which the Empire has no defense". This guy put considerably more effort into embarrassing himself.

[AdmiralKanos]

He wasn't done. He sent another one:

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

You made a mistake on your Revelations On “The Phantom Menace” web page. You stated that the Republic would bring it’s military might on the Trade Federation if it blockaded the planet of Naboo for too long a time or committed any illegal actions against it. At the time the Republic had no official military. The only force that was like a military that they had was the Jedi. Only in Episode II The Attack of the Clones did the Republic officially create an army of the Republic. That meant that the only thing the Republic could do to the Trade Federation was in the legal realm. The Jedi are a powerful force to be dealt with but they are not an army.

Notice how he assumes that since the Republic had no ground army at the time of TPM, it must have no military forces whatsoever . And another one:

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

When you compared the destructive capabilities of the Imperial Blaster Rifle and the Federation Phaser Rifle you did not take into account that the Federation Phaser Rifle has multiple power settings. The highest power setting of the Phaser rifle makes the Phaser emit enough power to vaporize a human being. At that setting the Phaser rifle would have done more damage to the Sand Crawler than the Blaster rifle. To vaporize a human it requires a lot of heat energy. You already know this. since Blasters cannot do this the Phaser rifle is obviously more powerful.

I'd say it's pretty clear that he just skims over the site to see its conclusions, without bothering to examine its reasoning. The bit about phaser-vapes totally dominates my phaser page, and he completely ignores it.

[Setesh]

As has been said many a time,
'Genius has limits, stupidity has no such handicap'

[Ghost Rider]

I stand corrected.

Complete freaking moron who maybe skimmed over a paragraph or two.

And he's one of the smarter ones?!

By his account...

[Ender]

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

You made a mistake on your Revelations On “The Phantom Menace” web page. You stated that the Republic would bring it’s military might on the Trade Federation if it blockaded the planet of Naboo for too long a time or committed any illegal actions against it. At the time the Republic had no official military.

They did however have the sector military forces they can draw upon, and the Republic Judicials who were a heavily armed version of the Texas Rangers

The only force that was like a military that they had was the Jedi. Only in Episode II The Attack of the Clones did the Republic officially create an army of the Republic. That meant that the only thing the Republic could do to the Trade Federation was in the legal realm. The Jedi are a powerful force to be dealt with but they are not an army.

While they are not an army, the Republic does have other resources to call upon.

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

When you compared the destructive capabilities of the Imperial Blaster Rifle and the Federation Phaser Rifle you did not take into account that the Federation Phaser Rifle has multiple power settings. The highest power setting of the Phaser rifle makes the Phaser emit enough power to vaporize a human being. At that setting the Phaser rifle would have done more damage to the Sand Crawler than the Blaster rifle. To vaporize a human it requires a lot of heat energy. You already know this. since Blasters cannot do this the Phaser rifle is obviously more powerful.

It does not vaporize a person, it uses a NDF reaction as you would see if you had read the site. Further, the maximum power for a phaser rifle was stated in DS9: 1.08 megajoules, which is quite a bit less then the 8 megajoues that clonetrooper rifles have.

[Master of Ossus]

First of all, I'd like to see your evidence for the Romulan starships you pulled out of your ass.

They're from the "Star Trek: Armada" computer game and basically scaled-down versions of the D'Deridex.

Needless, to say, "Star Trek: Armada" isn't canon.

Let me get this straight. They're from a non-canon source, and they have a WORSE surface-area:volume ratio than the original D'Derix. They're also almost certainly less powerful due to the originally smaller size. Why is he proud of this?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

You made a mistake on your Revelations On “The Phantom Menace” web page. You stated that the Republic would bring it’s military might on the Trade Federation if it blockaded the planet of Naboo for too long a time or committed any illegal actions against it. At the time the Republic had no official military. The only force that was like a military that they had was the Jedi. Only in Episode II The Attack of the Clones did the Republic officially create an army of the Republic. That meant that the only thing the Republic could do to the Trade Federation was in the legal realm. The Jedi are a powerful force to be dealt with but they are not an army.

Then what exactly was the ship that delivered Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Naboo? They wore military uniforms. It's obvious that either the OR either didn't have an army, or just had local space forces, which could deal with smaller threats, but not an intergalatic war (supported by the canon AOTC ICS saying previous warships had short range).

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com
Comments: Dear Michael Wong,

When you compared the destructive capabilities of the Imperial Blaster Rifle and the Federation Phaser Rifle you did not take into account that the Federation Phaser Rifle has multiple power settings. The highest power setting of the Phaser rifle makes the Phaser emit enough power to vaporize a human being. At that setting the Phaser rifle would have done more damage to the Sand Crawler than the Blaster rifle. To vaporize a human it requires a lot of heat energy. You already know this. since Blasters cannot do this the Phaser rifle is obviously more powerful.

You're a complete and total idiot. Did you completely ignore Mike's phaser page, which disproves phasers actually vaporizing, and actually use NDF?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Name: Steven Krashefski
E-Mail: Omicron2373@hotmail.com

Comments: I believe you made a mistake on the problems that the Federation would have assembling a galactic coalition against the Empire. The Romulans would be forced to join the fight if they were ever to achieve the destiny that they believed was for them. They have the belief that they will eventually rule the galaxy. If that was ever to happen then they would have to help the Federation stop the Empire from getting a foothold in the alpha quadrant.

Wrong. The Romulan Empire was quite content simply leaving the Dominion to destroy the Federation and Klingons, leaving them the only real threat. If they couldn't see the Dominion would eventually take them out then, why would they see the Empire do it?

Also, the Klingons would be forced to join the fight since the Empire poses a threat to every galactic power and would surely try to conquer the Klingon Empire. Since the Klingons have a strong belief in honor they would have to defend their honor. In fact the whole Klingon culture is based on their strong belief in honor.

Bullshit, their definition of honor is extremely flexible. Such as trying to destroy field hospitals.

With the Romulan knowledge of trilithium the coalition could use trilithium based weapons as the ultimate shock and awe tactic. If you have watched Star Trek the Next Generation (the movie not the series) then you should know what trilithium is and it's frightening destructive capabilities. Also, even with out a coalition the Federation could utilize this technology themselves.

And they never did during the Dominion War why?

BTW, the movie is called "Generations." You're not impressing me here.

How they would utilize it is use cloaked ships sent in through the wormhole and these ships would destroy all the solar systems in their operating range which is several thousand light years. Even if the ships weren't cloaked they could still do this quite easily. I know you are thinking they wouldn't be able to get through the Empire’s side of the wormhole unless cloaked because of course the Empire would have it blockaded or mined. Well, before the ships came through the Federation could send through large self propelled matter-antimatter bombs with destructive power upwards of 5 gigatons. Which, wouldn't be that hard to make since they already have photon and quantum torpedoes which are based on antimatter. They would just be of much greater size. Once the way was cleared then the ships would be able to get through. Immediately the ships could start their star collapsing spree.

Oh please. Even if they could build a 5 gigaton bomb (over a 5 thousand yield increase from photon torpedoes) you'd need over 3 thousand to take down the shields of the twenty year old transport, and 300 thousand for an ISD!

You're probably thinking that the Empire would be able to just have their ships waiting for the coalition or just Federation ships. Well, the Empire's ships have a major weakness. They only have their sub-light propulsion and hyperdrives. They have no way of reaching a Federation ship in warp. In layman’s terms they can't reach the speeds in-between hyperspace and sub-light speeds which the Federation ships can. They wouldn't be able to catch them with their sub-light engines and would overshoot them with their hyperdrives. The ships of the Federation and all the other major races in the milky way galaxy have the ability to fire when their warp drive is activated.

Wrong. Since inverted gravity beams can take a ship out of warp, Interictors can stop them.

The Federation would also have their side of the wormhole mined and blockaded.

And if these mines were twice the yield of a photon torpedo, you'd only need 1 billion to take down an ISD.

Back to the subject of weapons. The Federation could also capture a small craft in the galaxy that the Empire is located in. For example a YT-1300 Corelian Transport (otherwise known as the type of ship the Millennium Falcon is). The Federation could then take the hyperdrive of the ship and assimilate it into their own technology.

Oh please. The Federation has been working on transwarp for 80 years. They won't be able to reverse engineer a hyperdrive so quickly. It's irrelevant anyway since no Federation ship would make it out the wormhole.

Thus the Federation would be able to reach more distant targets like Corusant and the star system where the Empire produces most of their Star Destroyers in which I know for a fact is only one star system.

Actually the Empire has many major shipyards, and huge numbers of minor ones.

Even if the Empire did overrun the Federation they would have to deal with the highly adaptive Borg Collective, the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. You may think that the Romulan Star Empire is not a match for the Empire. Well, it is a good enough of a match to be one major pain in the ass to the Empire. The Romulans have the most territory and largest fleet out of all the major powers in the alpha quadrant.

Do they have 2 billion photon torpedoes?

Also, the Romulans have extremely good weapons such as the very destructive plasma torpedoes. You may be saying the are slow and degrade over distance but now with the new zero-point, clean-vacuum technology the weapons have extremely greater speed, accuracy, and effective range. The Romulans also constantly upgrade their fleet of D’Deridex (Romulan name for Warbirds) with the newest technologies to give them a constant edge over the enemy. Finally, the Romulans have just replaced all of their old but venerable ships with new designs. These ships are a totally new breed of Romulan ships with only one purpose, heavy battle and reconasince (note they use perfect and undetectable cloak fields to do their spying). The names of these ships are the
Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”.

Hey dumbass, those are ships from fucking games. Non-canon games.

You also made on last major mistake. You do not take into account the new technologies and ship designs of the most recent movies Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis. In that time period the Federation is undergoing a massive renewing of their fleets. They are replacing the older classes with more advanced, extremely maneuverable, and more powerful ships. Such as the Intrepid class, the Sovereign class, the Saber class, the Norway class, and the Akira class.

These ships were all designed for only one use. That use is to conduct warfare. All the ships are more advanced than the Galaxy class ship which is as expensive and big ship not designed for war. Also most of the ships are small and relatively easy to produce. The ships are also equipped with not isolinear chips for their computer systems but with bio-neural gelpacks which are more effective under combat conditions.

So what if the Federation finally started designing ships for war (if so, why do they still have the power wasting useless holodecks?) what do you think ISDs are built for?

Also, the Federation with the research of Professor Mannheim could unleash a terrible weapon on the galaxy the Empire inhabits. They could created a tear in the space time continuum of the galaxy invariably destroying the fabric of space time. That would cause time to be fragmented throughout the Empire’s galaxy. For example, in one area time could be frozen in place and in another time could be traveling backwards and so on.

Can you stop using games as sources?

I do not wish this to be a flamer note and if you think it is I am sorry. I only wish to state the true way the Federation would have Starfleet handle the situation. I also want to tell you to update your information on the current technological state of the Federation by using evidence from the latest movies. Finally Galaxy class ships are mainly used for deep space exploration only. Not front line battle. That’s what the newer classes are
meant for.

Perhaps you should realize the problems of updating large numbers of pages constantly. Furthermore, you haven't proved any technological differences. You make vague claims of how their ships are better because they are built for war but provide no calculations. And you have not even attempted to disprove the fact the Empire has a huge firepower, industrial and speed advantage.

sincerely,
Steven Krashefski

p.s. If you don’t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class. Excuse my French but please don’t bull shit me about the ethical reasons for which the Federation would not use trilithium weapons and time based weapons. War is war and if an interstellar country has the will to survive they will go to any length to
ensure their survival.

Why didn't the use these supposed weapons during the Dominion War? The Romulans were their allies. And perhaps you should recall "I, Borg" where they had a pefect oppurtunity to destroy the Borg, and they didn't.

[darthdavid]

Well atleast i wasn't _THAT_ stupid when i came here.

[Rob Wilson]

I'd say it's pretty clear that he just skims over the site to see its conclusions, without bothering to examine its reasoning. The bit about phaser-vapes totally dominates my phaser page, and he completely ignores it.

Yeah, you need to tell him that reading the conclusions is not enough, he heeds to read the analysis that led to them. Give him the chance to prove himself capable of thought and try and get him to think. If he's still saying the same things after that, then he deserves to be labeled an idiot.

[Peregrin Toker]

First of all, I'd like to see your evidence for the Romulan starships you pulled out of your ass.

They're from the "Star Trek: Armada" computer game and basically scaled-down versions of the D'Deridex.

Needless, to say, "Star Trek: Armada" isn't canon.

Let me get this straight. They're from a non-canon source, and they have a WORSE surface-area:volume ratio than the original D'Derix. They're also almost certainly less powerful due to the originally smaller size. Why is he proud of this?

Maybe because they're cheaper to manufacture??

[Darth Gojira]

This is why I kept(and still keep) my mouth shut when I came here. Still, at least I know to READ THE FUCKING SITE!

[Crazedwraith]

The names of these ships are the
Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”.

Heck there not even the right names.
In the 1st Armarda Rommies have the "Talon", the "Shrike", the"Griffin", the "raptor", the "Shadow" the "d'deridex" or "warbird" and the "phoenix" superweapon.

[Typhonis 1]

http://planetside.firenebula.com hmmmph they hve beeter Romulan ships listed

[2000AD]

I'd say it's pretty clear that he just skims over the site to see its conclusions, without bothering to examine its reasoning. The bit about phaser-vapes totally dominates my phaser page, and he completely ignores it.

Isn't that what you did in the Darkstar debate? I know DS's replies are probably much larger than the web page, and DS is an idiot with very little reasoning, but isn't the principle the same?

[Rob Wilson]

I'd say it's pretty clear that he just skims over the site to see its conclusions, without bothering to examine its reasoning. The bit about phaser-vapes totally dominates my phaser page, and he completely ignores it.

Isn't that what you did in the Darkstar debate?

Not at first, only after it bacame obvious that DS was simply repeating the same things over and over again. Mike read his comments and arguments the first few times.

[2000AD]

Just wondered.

[Rob Wilson]

Just wondered.

Well to answer your second part of the question, the principle is totally different as Mike made the effort to read and refute in detail the points made by DS, before finally just resorting to dealing only with the conclusions when it became obvious that DS wasn't changing what he posted and refused to acknowledge defeat.
Whereas, it's possible that this kid is only reading the conclusions, without attmpting to debate the points raised in the analysis first.

[Wicked Pilot]

p.s. If you don?t know I am only 14 years of age and nearly the best student in my eight grade class.

John Clarke?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Talon class “Frigate”, the Falcon class “Destroyer”, the Shrike class “Light Cruiser”, the Hawk class “Heavy Cruiser”, and the Raptor class “Heavy Battlecruiser”

...the hell?

[Darth Servo]

What I REALLY want to know:

WHY do so many idiot Trekkies assume the Empire will just SIT there doing nothing while the Trek powers run around Imperial territory?

[Tribun]

What I REALLY want to know:

WHY do so many idiot Trekkies assume the Empire will just SIT there doing nothing while the Trek powers run around Imperial territory?

I think the Imperials do nothing, because they laughed thier asses of, when they saw the primitive Trek tech.
When they were finished with laughing, Trek won't have anything to laugh when they were vaporised....