His Divine Shadow wrote:Patrick Ogaard wrote:Superintelligence? How about teaching the Federation humans how to use the intelligence they've got? There's plenty of room for development there without adding all manner of imponderables likely to produce a pack of mixed nuts like the idiot geniuses Bashir ended up dealing with

Are you just picking on this because it's from the UFP or what?
You just spoke about efficiency, being more intelligent is ALOT more effective, and since it's genetically engineered in you, it's hereditar and therefore very cheap.
Superstrength? Perceptible advantages: you are now prime slave material for a low-tech world looking for cheap, high-capacity stevedores; you can now easily kill a man with your bare hands, unless he disintegrates you first with his phaser.
Again, WTF?

What are you going on about anyway? You think that if humans are stronger they will all become slaves because suddenly the whole universe will turn on them for easy slaves?
Pfffftt.... any such low-tech world could alot more easily purchase industrial equipment instead of slaves.
That does not appear to be a recipe for the improvement of humanity. More like multiple dead ends pursued simultaneously.
Not really no, heightened intelligence and strenght seems like two extremely efficient improvements.
I'll continue to play devil's advocate on this, though. Improved intelligence can actually be detrimental to efficiency. Presumably unmodified Federation human children nowhere near puberty are expected to be able to deal with calculus. That Jake Sisko as a young teen was still dealing with algebra might be indication of a severe learning disability on his part, or simply the inefficiency of relying on Ben Sisko's homeschooling ablities and a computer terminal.
With increased intelligence, which is itself a fairly nebulous concept, comes an increase in personal expectations. A crew composed of hyperintelligent genetically modified humans may not want to waste its time pulling maintenance on deuterium tank fittings, repairing broken toilets or doing any of the thousands of supremely ordinary things that even an advanced starship would require to keep it in decent shape. That likely means that either a dissatisfied genius worker will do the work in a supremely slipshod manner, or a strain of intellectually stunted (AKA normally intelligent) workers bred for scut work will be seen as a good option, assuming everything ordinary is not turned over to robots. It can quickly become a matter of too many chiefs and not enough indians.
As for increased strength, I still fail to see where the real, across the board advantages are supposed to be. Certainly it would be useful for stevedores, furniture movers or special forces troops that actually expect to be engaging their opponents in hand to hand combat. The problem is that for almost everyone else, dramatically increased strength would in fact be potentially dangerous.
Let's take a genetic modification that provides average humans with strength levels equivalent to a chimpanzee of the same weight. One common figure thrown about regarding the approximate strength ratio between chimps and humans is 5:1. Thus, let's say that Joe Average soldier has a body mass of 80 kilograms and can, genetically unmodified, bench press his own weight. Nothing shabby, but nothing Olympic. With the genetic modification, he can now bench press 400 kilograms routinely. But that strength modification should apply to all aspects of strength equally. Thus, pens break constantly, keyboards get accidentally smashed, rifles snap when a nervous soldier grips his assault rifle tightly, and the foot pedals of motor vehicles require daily replacement.
The obvious answer would be to overengineer everything accordingly, increasing the mass of equipment and not only reducing the weight packing advantage of the strength but also making the equipment practically unusable by unmodified soldiers. The alternative is to have the soldiers trained to not misapply their excessive strength, though stress can lead to forgetfulness.
More problematic, though, is that if that strength boost becomes common in the general population, we have the same problems as above, but with a less disciplined group. That could have a massive detrimental economic impact. Similarly, what if not everyone has that super strength? Reasonable legal protections for the non-strong would require that any altercation between a modified and an unmodified human would have to consider the modified human as being armed with a deadly weapon. That would drastically screw the modified humans in conflicts with unmodified humans.
There is also the question of how the body is supposed to support that increased strength. Even if it could be done without reducing neoteny (and thus producing mentally inflexible Klingons), that strength still has to be fuelled. Modern "strongest man" competitors typically have to consume 7,500 to 8,000 Calories worth of food daily, and avail themselves of the modern wonder of toilet paper at least four times daily to get rid of the indigestible parts. (Modified soldiers under stressful combat conditions would likely up that further, since unmodified modern soldiers get close to those caloric requirements under combat conditions.)
Also, at what age does the strength boost set in? A 20-kilogram child with that kind of strength boost would be able to lift up and toss its mother across the room in a fit of temper. A distraught baby clutching a parent could unintentionally crush that parent's throat. If it sets in at puberty, then kids would essentially "monsterize," making the transition from child to young adult even harder.
It just does not seem hugely useful as a modification. The increased risk of wear and tear, inevitable herniations and smashed disks, dramatically increased food requirements and smashed surroundings do not seem to merit the benefit of being able to carry more gear in a rucksack. The close combat benefits hardly exist: stabbing someone with a combat knife or bayonet does not require superhuman strength. Even single-strike decapitations and the lopping off of arms are well within the limits of normal human strength as long as a suitable blade is used.
What would make sense, though, would be treatments to allow subjects to fully develop their genetic strength potential, just like education designed to maximize usable intelligence would be worthwhile.