Boarding Action: Andromeda vs. ISD II

[omegaLancer]

Well valor, since it only goes to show you that the Nerve gas the boarding storm troopers release, should over come A hi guard ship in a matter of minutes..


Too bad about the Fact that Hi guard vessel are not as well design as a imperial SD...

[Mr Bean]

Or they could just use the tesseracting device Harper built. Tesseract onboard the ISD, grab the parts, and tesseract out leaving a few AP warheads behind. Yes it is an idealized scenario.

Of course agian the Tesseract device does not seem to be perfect, witness all the problems they have with it and the fact they never leave a few AP war-heads on ANYONE even after they get it

[Master of Ossus]

Fool. Nanobot technology is well known to the Empire, as are all forms of bio and chemical warfare. Their stormtroopers are equipped to deal with such problems.

[Antediluvian]

Don't stormies possess hand-held ion guns? Or EMP grenades? (I think Bean mentioned those?)

They could use those to short out any electronics in the corridors and proceed without worry about any sudden changes in gravity.

[Master of Ossus]

Don't stormies possess hand-held ion guns? Or EMP grenades? (I think Bean mentioned those?)

They could use those to short out any electronics in the corridors and proceed without worry about any sudden changes in gravity.

They do. A more common tactic is to extend one ship's inertial compensators through the other ship, nullifying their ability to use gravity. That was used on the Tantive IV in preparation of the boarding action.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Fool. Nanobot technology is well known to the Empire, as are all forms of bio and chemical warfare. Their stormtroopers are equipped to deal with such problems.

Okay, I'm going to ignore the childish name-calling long enough to ask where have SW ever used nanobots for anything besides some obscure reference in the novels in manufacturing TL's?

You do know they already know about Nano-bots right CW? SW has nano-bots uses them for quiet a bit inculding the Manfuature of TL(Only possible thanks to nano-bots) And your going to sit here and tell me SW designers did not anticpate Nano-bots being used as a weapon or tried? Because they suck as weapons and FYI Stormy suits contain both Canned and recurilated air-from the outside, Troopers can switch at will and in Vaclum it switchs over at will.

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "SW nanobots suck as weapons". OTOH: CW nanobots are more versitile and have been used in repairs on the Andromeda, defense against boarding parties, and even to take over the Andromeda's AI. Of course, CW robotics and AI tech is more advanced than SW's. Anyone can compare Rommie and C-P30 can see that.

[Antediluvian]

(I believe the phrase you're looking for is "SW nanobots suck as weapons". OTOH: CW nanobots are more versitile and have been used in repairs on the Andromeda , defense against boarding parties, and even to take over the Andromeda 's AI. Of course, CW robotics and AI tech is more advanced than SW's. Anyone can compare Rommie and C-P30 can see that.)

Or maybe nanobots suck as weapons, period.

CW robotics and AI actually seem equal to SW.

After all, they can build droids that look human too, and C-3P0 is sentient, just like Rommie.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Don't stormies possess hand-held ion guns? Or EMP grenades? (I think Bean mentioned those?)

They could use those to short out any electronics in the corridors and proceed without worry about any sudden changes in gravity.

They do. A more common tactic is to extend one ship's inertial compensators through the other ship, nullifying their ability to use gravity. That was used on the Tantive IV in preparation of the boarding action.

I doubt the Imperial inertia compensators can actually match the AG fields on the GHC's.

Imperial inertia compensators-designed for accelerations of 3000 g's.

GHC AG fields: designed to counters accelerations of 170,000 g's.

Big difference here.

[Crossover_Maniac]

(I believe the phrase you're looking for is "SW nanobots suck as weapons". OTOH: CW nanobots are more versitile and have been used in repairs on the Andromeda , defense against boarding parties, and even to take over the Andromeda 's AI. Of course, CW robotics and AI tech is more advanced than SW's. Anyone can compare Rommie and C-P30 can see that.)

Or maybe nanobots suck as weapons, period.

No, they don't. Otherwise, the CW wouldn't be using them.

CW robotics and AI actually seem equal to SW.

After all, they can build droids that look human too, and C-3P0 is sentient, just like Rommie.

Tell that to Obi Wan. "If droids could think for themselves, we wouldn't be here." This quote is from Episode II: AotC. Droids aren't truly sentient, instead are programmed to give people the impression they are sentient. Also, while a few people seen a Wookie rip the arms off a droid, no one ever seen a droid rip off a wookie's arms until Rommie pays Chewbacca a visit.

[HemlockGrey]

I thought it meant that droids *could* think for themselves, but the programmers of X droid built in safeguards to keep them from taking over the universe.

Might have been a smart decision. If AI's couldn't think for themselves, Dylan would have gotten that entire Commonwealth fleet instead of three or four ships.

[Renewed_Valour1]

Well valor, since it only goes to show you that the Nerve gas the boarding storm troopers release, should over come A hi guard ship in a matter of minutes..

You do realize that the High Guard employs NBC warfare nanobots on their ships to prevent someone from using chemical weapons… Try again!

Too bad about the Fact that Hi guard vessel are not as well design as a imperial SD...

You have wonderful logic!

Yes mounting your bridge on top of the ship where random fighters can ram it is smart idea… Placing your CIC in the center of the ship is a poor design…

The point stands though in another afair Stormys are stronger than the avarage human by a factor or two

So are Nietzscheans and they stilled ended up as uber pudding.

They do quiet a bit of damange here and even if thiere are 50000000000 Grav Generators per square inch thanks to Harper we know there is only two sets of Power Cables per Corrider(When he pops things open and roots are and mentions a few times there is only a primary and a back-up)

Quotes or episode please because I sure don't remember Harper making any such comment.

Hint* GERNADES

F-lances… Set a few around the ship in automatic intercept mode. Stormie throws grenade and a effector is fired to intercept the grenade. So the grenade goes off in the Stormies face and they'll learn quickly why that isn't wise to do.

True, but at the time, the Andromeda was sitting still, hiding behind an asteroid and trying to repair that very damage.

The point I was trying to make is it isn't wise to play with AG fields when you have a extensively damaged ship, hull beaches, and an enemy looking for you. You are also assuming that with all the damage she took that the potential was there to manipulate the fields that fine without causing more problems.

Is that the battle-bots?

The Tweedles more affectionately called the lads are Andromeda's planetary warfare bots. The Marias are the various types of black droids walking around Andromeda's hull.

How does tesseracting work exactly?

You are moving through higher dimensions. I'm not totally secure at all on the physics behind it so bear with me as I attempt to relate it. The best way is to think how it would be like for 2 dimensional creatures to have to deal with someone in a higher dimension. They would essentially be on a flat plane like a sheet paper. The tesseracted person then can hover above their plane beyond their 2D ability to detect. Yet that person can in turn see all they are doing, interact with objects in 2D space with a higher degree of selectivity, and move about totally undetected and unhindered. Tesseracting also seems to have some FTL component to it.

Also, while a few people seen a Wookie rip the arms off a droid, no one ever seen a droid rip off a wookie's arms until Rommie pays Chewbacca a visit.

And then beat him to death with it.

[omegaLancer]

Rommie would be wonderful until she meant an assassin droid, Imperial remote or an imperial Wardroid... 3ceepo is a protocol droid meant to interface with droids who AI function donot allow them to communicate directily with Organics and was not meant to engage in combat....Neither are the majority of Androids on board the Andromeda..

Not that a Droid like Rommie couldnot be build for it was done in shadow of the empire, and like Rommie she was capable of Combat alone with her other duties...

The fact is that Organics in SW have a faultly idea of the Thinking ablities of Droid, on many occassion they are surprise by what droid can do.. If Memory wipes are not routinely done , the droid end up becoming aware and self will ( there are plenty of example of this in the EU and the movies)
And the AI technology is about the same, with the races of in the SW universe attempting not to be heavily dependance on them ( a fail effort since Droids CPU are in everything from Space ships to Ground vehicles).
IT part of the self delusion that people sometime indulge in to make themselve feel better.. The Droids are the ulimate whipping boy, unless they are program to whip you...




Now Ar2d2 would hack Andromeda AI and have the defense system turn on the defenders, and have the Rommie avatar as his personal toy.. he the man..

Where was the defense Nanobot when the Retro Nanobot invaded the ship?Must have been out for lunch

[Mr Bean]

A few retorts

Yes mounting your bridge on top of the ship where random fighters can ram it is smart idea… Placing your CIC in the center of the ship is a poor design…

It IS in the Center of the Ship Pay-attention here, Commanders happen to like Observing things from the Bridge but there is a secondary bridge buried within the hull that ANY Captian could use if he wanted, Just because they do not.. Is it a Macho thing? Well maybe, and then maybe its because the best they ever faced where poor scattered Rebels and it helped paint a picture. IE PR

So are Nietzscheans and they stilled ended up as uber pudding.

Prehaps we should throw in Stronger/Smarter/Better Armored and Faster too?

Quotes or episode please because I sure don't remember Harper making any such comment.

I'll hunt down the name but it was quite earily in the series when we see Harper reparing the AD and complaining to Dillian about the ship

F-lances… Set a few around the ship in automatic intercept mode. Stormie throws grenade and a effector is fired to intercept the grenade. So the grenade goes off in the Stormies face and they'll learn quickly why that isn't wise to do.

Right... And they where sitting in his face... How?
And need I remind you agian of Mobile Shielding on E-Webs?


You still have yet to come up with a valid tatic on the AD's part or need I remind you SD carry supplies for a Year?

[HemlockGrey]

Just starve the Andromeda out.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Rommie would be wonderful until she meant an assassin droid, Imperial remote or an imperial Wardroid...

Rommie, in "All Too Human", overran a military instilation, hacked into their computer, threaten to set their fusion reactor to explode if they got in her way, and was pulling stunts right out of The Matrix.

Not that a Droid like Rommie couldnot be build for it was done in shadow of the empire, and like Rommie she was capable of Combat alone with her other duties...

Uh, if SW-verse could build an android like Rommie, how come the droid army of the Trade Federation was creamed by the Clones?

And the AI technology is about the same, with the races of in the SW universe attempting not to be heavily dependance on them ( a fail effort since Droids CPU are in everything from Space ships to Ground vehicles). IT part of the self delusion that people sometime indulge in to make themselve feel better.. The Droids are the ulimate whipping boy, unless they are program to whip you...

Then they're scrapped by an army of cloned organics.

Now Ar2d2 would hack Andromeda AI and have the defense system turn on the defenders, and have the Rommie avatar as his personal toy.. he the man..

Are you by any chance the producer of Independence Day? Repeat after me: computers from alien races will not be compatable. And even if they were, if anything, Rommie would hack into R2's systems and turn him Harper's little helper.

Where was the defense Nanobot when the Retro Nanobot invaded the ship?Must have been out for lunch

Maybe Renewed Valor should answer this one. He seems to the resident Andromeda expert.

[HemlockGrey]

Rommie, in "All Too Human", overran a military instilation, hacked into their computer, threaten to set their fusion reactor to explode if they got in her way, and was pulling stunts right out of The Matrix .

Perhaps, but can she take on the Black Metallic Badass that is IG-88?

Uh, if SW-verse could build an android like Rommie, how come the droid army of the Trade Federation was creamed by the Clones?

Prolly the same reason that CW soldiers aren't all Rommie-style androids. It costs a hell of a lot of money, and the Trade Federation did not like the thought of spending money.

The SW android refered to is probably Guri, Xizor's assistant/sex toy/bodyguard. They don't make armies out of her because she's frickin' expensive.

Then they're scrapped by an army of cloned organics.

Which have been doing nothing but military training for ten years and are equipped with the best weapon technology in the known universe.

[Crossover_Maniac]

A few retorts

So are Nietzscheans and they stilled ended up as uber pudding.

Prehaps we should throw in Stronger/Smarter/Better Armored and Faster too?

Are you talking about the Storm Troopers being stronger and faster? I don't seem to recall any modifications mentioned in Episode II to the clones other than reducing their free will and doubling their rate of growth. Can you cite a source indicating Stormtroopers being stronger than Nietzcheans? besides, the gravity increase was strong enough to cause the boarding party members' bodies to collapse under their own weight. That's not going to happen in 10 or even 100 g's. Try a thousand, at least. And until you cite a source saying that stormtroopers can carry around 100 tons on their shoulders, I'll believe the AG fields won't reduce them to goo.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Just starve the Andromeda out.

The GHC carry their own hydroponics bay and can grow their own food.

[Mr Bean]

The GHC carry their own hydroponics bay and can grow their own food.

Agian however limited. It CAN grow its own food and likley has the Plant going 24/7 to slow the burden on stocks but can it take over 100% of the load?

[Antediluvian]

(No, they don't. Otherwise, the CW wouldn't be using them.)

Perhaps you didn't read MW's page on the subject. Nanobots suck as offensive weapons.



(Tell that to Obi Wan. "If droids could think for themselves, we wouldn't be here." This quote is from Episode II: AotC. Droids aren't truly sentient, instead are programmed to give people the impression they are sentient. Also, while a few people seen a Wookie rip the arms off a droid, no one ever seen a droid rip off a wookie's arms until Rommie pays Chewbacca a visit.)

You are aware that's twenty years ago right?

There are several classes of droids that are sentient, like the protoccol droids and R-2 units.

[Antediluvian]

And for that matter, got any proof that Rommie is stronger than a Wookie?

[Crossover_Maniac]

Rommie, in "All Too Human", overran a military instilation, hacked into their computer, threaten to set their fusion reactor to explode if they got in her way, and was pulling stunts right out of The Matrix .

Perhaps, but can she take on the Black Metallic Badass that is IG-88?

Depends, what can the IG-88 do?

Uh, if SW-verse could build an android like Rommie, how come the droid army of the Trade Federation was creamed by the Clones?

Prolly the same reason that CW soldiers aren't all Rommie-style androids. It costs a hell of a lot of money, and the Trade Federation did not like the thought of spending money.

You have proof that Rommie's too expensive to mass produce. Because there's whole colonies of nothing but AI's and cybernetic parts for human are commonplace in the CW. And these cybernetic enhancements put humans close to Rommie's level ("Under the Night", "An Affirming Flame", "Be All My Sins Remembered").

The SW android refered to is probably Guri, Xizor's assistant/sex toy/bodyguard. They don't make armies out of her because she's frickin' expensive.

So, I take it Guri is one of a kind, as opposed to Rommie. There's been several episodes ("The Mathematics of Tears", "All Too Human", "The Knight, Death, and the Devil"). And according to Semus Harper Online:

All the parts and equipment I needed were already aboard the Andromeda. In fact, I actually used one of her Type II general utility androids as the basis for the avatar. The major changes involved a major rewiring to the 'bot's artificial nervous system, serious processing and memory upgrades (it enables her to store a much more robust version of Andromeda's core personality). And of course, my piece de resistance, a new external appearance that perfectly matches Andromeda's AI persona. I won't even tell you all the grief I went through reshaping the android into Andromeda's own form - getting the pigment just right on the artificially grown skin that covers her - stealing a few hairs of Beka's lovely head to use as a template for the avatar we now call Rommie. But I ask you-seeing the results of my labors, wasn't it all worthwhile?

Guri: one of a kind, 'friggin' expensive' special order bot.
Rommie: made from spare parts lying around the Andromeda. Rommie's too expensive to mass produce. Yeah, right.

[Master of Ossus]

Guri is not unique, but droids like her are prohibitively expensive and only built to order.

[Mr Bean]

Depends, what can the IG-88 do?

Dual Repeating Blaster Cannons, Speced to be able to do anything from 5KM Head-shots to shooting down TIE's is IG-88s main weapon, Second are concussion gernades eight count plus a load of neural toxins and acides plus a plasma cutter NTM his strength which is suffecent to rip apart a Blast door

Remeber E-11's? Blow Holes in Walls? But they only spark Blast Doors?(ANH Escape from DS right after Obi dies)

He also has of course 360 Vision in IR, Sonic and Sonar plus built in radio and sub-space communcators, Also logical to have a Hyperwave set but they are simply to big to mount on a droid like him
The only thing he does not have is a personal shield generator but thats ok he moves(Short distances anyway) 20x faster than Humans

Think *Matrix Bullet time but slightly slower than that

He's a bad ass walking death machine who nearly took over the Galaxy and there where four of him to start with

[Mr Bean]

OAN-IG-88 was built by a less than fifty person team and they built four of him in less than six months at once place to give you an idea how quickly he was made