Who shot John F. Kennedy?
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Come on! The man has been dead for almost 40 years! Does it really matter anymore?
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Oh, for fuck's sake. Must an Oliver Stone movie be used as fucking historical evidence? Please see http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm which presents photographic evidence showing that the conspiracy theorists' claims are bullshit.
The conspiracy theorists use the oldest trick in the book: they simply lie about what happened in order to make it look as if the accepted explanation is impossible. The fact that most Americans believe them is similar to the reason so many Americans believe in creationism: excessive credulity and a perverse desire to attack official explanations.
The conspiracy theorists use the oldest trick in the book: they simply lie about what happened in order to make it look as if the accepted explanation is impossible. The fact that most Americans believe them is similar to the reason so many Americans believe in creationism: excessive credulity and a perverse desire to attack official explanations.
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Hey - I said I lean towards the theory presented in the movie. Not that the movie itself was the gospel truth.AdmiralKanos wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake. Must an Oliver Stone movie be used as fucking historical evidence? Please see http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm which presents photographic evidence showing that the conspiracy theorists' claims are bullshit.
The conspiracy theorists use the oldest trick in the book: they simply lie about what happened in order to make it look as if the accepted explanation is impossible. The fact that most Americans believe them is similar to the reason so many Americans believe in creationism: excessive credulity and a perverse desire to attack official explanations.
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Everyone has been implicated at one time or another. I was implicated last year, my not being alive was just a cover.Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Aren't there theories that Lyndon Johnson ordered the assassination?
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Theories in general violate it.Simon H.Johansen wrote:But doesn't this violate Occam's Razor?Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Aren't there theories that Lyndon Johnson ordered the assassination?.
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I call bullshit on your "I wasn't alive at the time" defense. That just shows how clever an assassin you are.Gandalf wrote:Everyone has been implicated at one time or another. I was implicated last year, my not being alive was just a cover.
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My take on this is "Why should we give a shit?" The guy's dead, let him rest in peace for fuck's sake...
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Oh come on, Star Wars and Star Trek are just fantasy. Does it really matter?HemlockGrey wrote:Come on! The man has been dead for almost 40 years! Does it really matter anymore?
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The entire thing is just fishy, what with Oswald managing to score a hitAdmiralKanos wrote:The fact that most Americans believe them is similar to the reason so many Americans believe in creationism: excessive credulity and a perverse desire to attack official explanations.
on a moving target with one of the shittiest rifles in existence - and this
was a guy who had poor marksmanship records in the USMC....
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Two things that really disturbed me were the magic bullet theory - one bullet making something like sevem wounds in two different people, at one point making something like a 90degree turn during its travels and coming out of it fairly intact and undamaged.
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The Zubruder film which shows the impact driving the president's head backwards instead of forwards if he were truly hit from behind.
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The Zubruder film which shows the impact driving the president's head backwards instead of forwards if he were truly hit from behind.
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Except that all of that is bullshit. See the pictures on the site I linked to earlier: the conspiracy theorists distort the relative positions of the people sitting in the car in order to make the bullet's trajectory seem impossible (JFK was sitting toward the side of the car so the guy in front of him was actually offset rather than being directly in front of him), they used a hand-drawn not-to-scale autopsy sketch for scaling evidence of the bullet trajectory rather than the numerical dimensions written down in the autopsy report, and they always show pictures of the "undamaged" bullet from the side rather than end-on, because the end-on picture shows that it is hardly pristine.Stravo wrote:Two things that really disturbed me were the magic bullet theory - one bullet making something like sevem wounds in two different people, at one point making something like a 90degree turn during its travels and coming out of it fairly intact and undamaged.
The momentum of an assault-rifle bullet is very small, particularly since not all of it is even transferred to the victim (hence the fact that it passes through the body without stopping). The muscle reactions of the target will overwhelm the momentum of the bullet.The Zubruder film which shows the impact driving the president's head backwards instead of forwards if he were truly hit from behind.
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It wasn't an assault rifle, it was a bolt action something or other shitty ass gun. You simply shouldn't be able to fire at that speed, with that accuracy, unless you are an expert marksman, something that Oswald showed he wasn't. Thats the big thing.
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Not just a bolt action, one of the shittiest bolt actions in existence - theDark Hellion wrote:It wasn't an assault rifle, it was a bolt action something or other shitty ass gun.
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not to mentiuon the Body of Oswald was shorter I believe than what military records had of him and was missing a scar or two
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Who cares what kind of rifle it was? Even if he just got a lucky shot, the fact remains that one bullet from behind could have followed the necessary trajectory once we remove their falsehoods, so most of the conspiracy theorists' claims go out the window on that point alone.MKSheppard wrote:Not just a bolt action, one of the shittiest bolt actions in existence - theDark Hellion wrote:It wasn't an assault rifle, it was a bolt action something or other shitty ass gun.
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The problem is that he fired multiple shots, and that he hit with multiple shots. 1 lucky bullet is well and good, but 2 or 3 lucky bullets, fired at a speed with a shitty rifle that most military marksmen would be proud of is simply beyond Oswalds capabilitys. Either he used a different rifle, or someone else did some shooting as well.
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Either that, or he was simply a better (or luckier) marksman than he was given credit for. It is not physically impossible (ie- the crazy "magic bullet" argument turns out to be a lie), and "the shots were pretty good for a guy who wasn't a great marksman many years before" doesn't sound nearly as strong as "it was physically impossible for the bullet to follow that trajectory", does it?Dark Hellion wrote:The problem is that he fired multiple shots, and that he hit with multiple shots. 1 lucky bullet is well and good, but 2 or 3 lucky bullets, fired at a speed with a shitty rifle that most military marksmen would be proud of is simply beyond Oswalds capabilitys. Either he used a different rifle, or someone else did some shooting as well.
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The arguments against Oswald are:
(A) it was unlikely for him to be able to make such terrifically-aimed shots - especially so quickly;
(B) multiple witnesses report suspicious persons on the grassy knoll, exclusive of Oswald's position;
(C) various organizations had more reason than one single nut - which rapidly becomes "several single nuts" in more complex theories - to kill John F. Kennedy.
I'm still not sure. I like the Mafia argument, but I'm still unsure as to whether I believe they would have had the resources and resolve to strike out at so popular a leader - or any leader at all.
(A) it was unlikely for him to be able to make such terrifically-aimed shots - especially so quickly;
(B) multiple witnesses report suspicious persons on the grassy knoll, exclusive of Oswald's position;
(C) various organizations had more reason than one single nut - which rapidly becomes "several single nuts" in more complex theories - to kill John F. Kennedy.
I'm still not sure. I like the Mafia argument, but I'm still unsure as to whether I believe they would have had the resources and resolve to strike out at so popular a leader - or any leader at all.
I know! Mike shot him.
He'll go back in time and do so to prove that LHO could have made the shot, but in turn prove that LHO didn't do it, and..... *begins insane laughter* :twisted::twisted::twisted:
He'll go back in time and do so to prove that LHO could have made the shot, but in turn prove that LHO didn't do it, and..... *begins insane laughter* :twisted::twisted::twisted:
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