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Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

Ender wrote:You know, for a forum off a scientifically based site, it seems to me we see far more of these retarded ass questions by people who clearly have never read the books they are asking about then we do doing any kind of tech analysis or discussion

Oh, and what scholarly deabte would you be having otherwise?

Role of neutronium in the armor, shield mechanics, continuity fixes, book opinion discussion, etc.

Not everyone has time to read all the books. Furthermore, this question is not answered in the EU.

Yes, it is. It was built same time as Executor, therefore it cannot possibly be in ep3.

Oh, and I seem to have forgotten that little disclaimer at the top of the page that says the PSW is only tech analysis or discussion. What's that? There isn't one! Oh my!

Strawman. Show me where I said it should be only tech analysis.

Ender wrote:Role of neutronium in the armor, shield mechanics, continuity fixes, book opinion discussion, etc.

Funny, I don't see them scattered about the forum right now. Wait, there's the CT/ST thread. But you haven't contributed to that thread anyways.

Yes, it is. It was built same time as Executor, therefore it cannot possibly be in ep3.

My apologies on this one, I seem of have gotten swept up in tangent the thread split off into (how the Lusankya got there). The original topic of discussion is clearly made by someone who doesn't know enough about EU lore to find the answer himself; I don't see why we should critisize him if he doesn't know when the Executor class ship came into service.

Strawman. Show me where I said it should be only tech analysis.

I'll rephrase, since you don't understand the jist of my complaint:

"You know, for a forum off a scientifically based site, it seems to me we see far more of these retarded ass questions by people who clearly have never read the books they are asking about then we do doing any kind of tech analysis or discussion." -Ender

And so what if this forum is off of a scientifically based site? What's wrong with that forum having more discussion about general Star Wars then "tech analysis and discussion"? As it is tech discussion is generally long-winded and has multiple pages; regular old threads about anything SW do not. So it's natural there are more of the latter.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

Ender wrote:Role of neutronium in the armor, shield mechanics, continuity fixes, book opinion discussion, etc.

Funny, I don't see them scattered about the forum right now.

That was kinda my point.

Wait, there's the CT/ST thread. But you haven't contributed to that thread anyways.

I've been home for ~ one hour. You'll excuse me if I can't get to everything.

Strawman. Show me where I said it should be only tech analysis.

I'll rephrase, since you don't understand the jist of my complaint:

"You know, for a forum off a scientifically based site, it seems to me we see far more of these retarded ass questions by people who clearly have never read the books they are asking about then we do doing any kind of tech analysis or discussion." -Ender

And so what if this forum is off of a scientifically based site? What's wrong with that forum having more discussion about general Star Wars then "tech analysis and discussion"? As it is tech discussion is generally long-winded and has multiple pages; regular old threads about anything SW do not. So it's natural there are more of the latter.[/quote]There is a difference between regular old threads (EG Empire vs Vong, Can the Empire take the Death Star. etc), and stuff like this.

Ender wrote:That was kinda my point.

And somehow threads like these are stopping you or anyone else from making them, if they were so inclined?

I've been home for ~ one hour. You'll excuse me if I can't get to everything.

Ok.

There is a difference between regular old threads (EG Empire vs Vong, Can the Empire take the Death Star. etc), and stuff like this.

Cleary not everyone is as informed about Star Wars as the majority of the boards PSWers. They're not doing anything wrong by asking questions (as long as they don't litter the entire forum with them, as Matt77--or whatever his name was--did when he first arrived, and are considerate enough to consolidate them into a single thread). These threads don't stop you or anyone else from discussing other things, either. Your contempt for these type of threads is irrational.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that it was a requirement that we read all the books before posting a question or reading this board.

And yes, excuse my ignorance, I didn't read that the Lusankya was built at the same time as the Executor until after I posted the question (I've been reading the Tech commentaries) but I figured a discussion about SSDs would be interesting. Besides, I couldn't think of any other reason why the emperor would have an 11 mile long ship buried under a mountain so sue me.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's still a stupid question, you know...

So you've already informed us...

I was prepared to jump all over your ass for it, too. Luckily, I reread the thread and saw that you did provide an answer to the question. So, I can leave that part out.

On the other hand, it's not like, as has been said, everyone has read the EU, or even enough of it to get these small, vital details. Not every novel goes into the origin of the things. So far as I can recall, the only novel that did was The Bacta War, but that was in regards to the Lusankya herself, and didn't IIRC, include a timeframe on it. So far as I remember, he'd have to get one of the EGs or some RPG stuff to get a good timeframe on when the ships were made, and those can be hard to find nowadays (I haven't seen it in any of my local bookstores for quite some time).

So just because someone isn't as knowledgable in the finer details of the EU isn't a reason to say it's a dumb question...and even if you feel that strongly about it, there's wasn't a Helluva lot of point in adding a second post that just repeated yourself.

Natorgator wrote:Sorry, I wasn't aware that it was a requirement that we read all the books before posting a question or reading this board.

Don't worry about it...last time I checked, this was also a place where you could learn about stuff, too.

Durring the Bacta War, the muse that both KDY and the Fondor yards take credit for building the Executor as previously mentioned.

For Episode III, I hope we see Victories used as dedicated warships either escorting Acclamators (shamless plug) or just good old capital ship warfare a-la RotJ.

Seriously, there better be a huge space battle in Ep III. It is fucking STAR WARS, where is the war amongst the STARS.

Alright, lay off each other, people. Ignorance is not sufficient reason for flamage.

And here's to a space battle more spectacular than Endor.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Except for the fact that the Victories were designed toward the end of the Clone Wars (likely an Acclamator or Acclamator-successor escort).

The Imperator was designed after the rise of the Empire.

If you'll notice, that was in response to a hypothetical situation posed by Stravo. George Lucas doesn't give a shit about the EU when it comes down to making the movies, so we might just see an Imperator in Episode 3. And all I was saying was that it wouldn't really disturb the status of the VSD very much.

Stravo wrote:I'm not sure what the timeline is on stardestroyers, but I think we should see the first of the new stardestroyers leaving their berths by the end of the Clone War era. Aferall ships of that size shouldn't just sprout up over night and building 25,000 of them should take some time.

Yeah, maybe a year or two given what the OR/Empire can do.

Given Lucas's disregard for the EU who's to actually say we'll see any kind of SD. I'd actually put money on a completely new kind of battle ship.

Lord Pounder wrote:Given Lucas's disregard for the EU who's to actually say we'll see any kind of SD. I'd actually put money on a completely new kind of battle ship.

There really ought to be some form of warship that's an escort for Accumulators, the Dreadnoughts might be it but there quite weak and small and of course EU. The Victory might present the merging of the types.

Yes. Lusankya was construced at Kuat under the name Executor, then burried under the surface of Coruscant. The real Executor was constructed at KDY's Fondor yard in secret.

And I'm very sorry, but I can't help but laugh at the subject of the OP...

I really wonder, who wrote this shit?

It is called a Starship. Why the heck did he burry it into Coruscant to make it a H.S. (high security)-prison? Thats brain dead and idiotic in one. Such a mighty starship is there to represent the military force of the Empire, not be be burried!

This story is SHIT!
Who did wrote this SHIT?!

Given it's his personal escape vessel as well...the thought makes sense.

I mean this Palpatine...hehad the resources, and if you're going to insure your escape why not make it one of the biggest and baddest things in your fleet.

And the guy who wrote it was Michael Stackpole.

Tribun wrote:
I really wonder, who wrote this shit?

It is called a Starship. Why the heck did he burry it into Coruscant to make it a H.S. (high security)-prison? Thats brain dead and idiotic in one. Such a mighty starship is there to represent the military force of the Empire, not be be burried!

This story is SHIT!
Who did wrote this SHIT?!

Moron, the resources used to build an Executor are irrelevant in the scope of the Empire at its height and burying such a ship as the Emperors personal escape craft makes perfect sense as its command and control facilities would be necessary to reestablish contact with loyal Imperial forces.

I still think, the whole story is stupid.....

Tribun wrote:I really wonder, who wrote this shit?

Michael A. Stackpole.

Tribun wrote:It is called a Starship. Why the heck did he burry it into Coruscant to make it a H.S. (high security)-prison? Thats brain dead and idiotic in one. Such a mighty starship is there to represent the military force of the Empire, not be be burried!

This story is SHIT!
Who did wrote this SHIT?!

Well, that's your opinion.

Anyway, it was meant as the Emperor's escape vessel. Only later did Isard get control of it and turn it into a prison.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's still a stupid question, you know...

Yes you're right Spanky it is a stupid question but if he can't find the answer by himself then he did right by asking us.

...or do we have to send everyone to the Jedi Council?

Damn it, Boba!

Nice pic!!!

Sorry about that. I haven't been here for the last two weeks so all the topics were green. I didn't checked the date...my fault.

Sorry again.

There were many SSD's projecting Imperial power, and Palpy wanted something that could take on a fleet by it's lonesome. Anyway, GL's flawed genius is showing some consistency, given the fact that there are Empire-esqe transports and semi-cap ships in AoTC. Vics are still popular and in service up to (at least) "Darksaber". Dreadnaughts are powerful ships in their own right, and will probably be seen in Ep III. And I thought that Fondor Yards were seperate from KDY, as they both claim to have built the Executor. Why would 1 company claim that when they would have to know what was going on while they were being built?

Crayz9000 wrote:

Stravo wrote:What does it do to the EU in terms of the Victories if we see Stardestroyers premiering at the end of the clone wars?

It really doesn't matter if Imperators are produced at the same time as Victories. The Victory-class Star Destroyer was built by Rendili Stardrive, while the Imperator-class was built by Kuat Drive Yards. The Victory has a slightly different role than the Imperator (it enter atmospheres like the Acclamators), as well, so I don't see any problems with them coexisting.

It destroys the idiotic statement about the VSD being the largest starship built up to that point, but that was already destroyed by TPM (not to mention common sense).