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Posted: 2003-08-23 05:33pm
by Ender
Mad wrote:
Ender wrote:No, but one does look at an athlete and wonder if they would preform as well without steroids.
But would the Force be considered a natural advantage (Force sensitives tend to be born with the trait) like phsyical traits in atheletes, or an external influence that allows them to cheat?
I think it's the latter myself. But a different opinion of the force would lead to support of your view.

Posted: 2003-08-23 08:19pm
by Publius
While the Force is an inborn ability, it gives preternatural abilities to those who can use it, including prescience, psychokinesis, clairvoyance, and others; indeed, using the Force, one can even instinctively astrogate, if so inclined. It should be remembered that individuals that can use the Force have a decidedly unfair advantage (although, as one Marine defined it, a fair fight is one in which all one's own troops come back alive, so take an unfair dogfight for what it's worth).

After all, one should remember that Anakin Skywalker had reflexes that kicked in before the thing he was reacting to could actually happen, that Luke Skywalker could intuitively fire an unguided torpedo into a target that his ship's targetting computer would have trouble hitting, and that Keyan Farlander could directly influence enemy pilots' minds and perceptions.

Publius

Posted: 2003-08-24 11:40am
by PainRack
But the Force is present in everyone, as opposed to Steroids which aren't.

Of course, only a certain class of character can manipulate the Force, but then again, only some atheletes can manipulate some abilities.

Posted: 2003-08-24 11:50am
by Ender
The ability to use steroids is in everyone, just like the force is.

The benefits of using the force are only available to those who actively use it, just like the benefits of steroids are only available to those who actively use them.

Posted: 2003-08-24 12:45pm
by Mad
Ender wrote:The ability to use steroids is in everyone, just like the force is.

The benefits of using the force are only available to those who actively use it, just like the benefits of steroids are only available to those who actively use them.
Some can use the Force unconsciously and still benefit themselves, as Anakin did.

And the ability to lift weights is present in everyone, but only those who actually do it can reap the benefits. Nobody says "if he didn't lift weights, he wouldn't have won that boxing match."

Which is the more apt comparison for the Force? One has to choose to take steroids. One cannot choose to be gifted in the Force.