The passing of an era, evolve or die, Trek is no more

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-24 08:42pm

What would GOD need... with a starship?

to go boom in

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2002-09-24 09:15pm

SW won the debate a long time ago. I remember lurking around ASVS and Spacebattles 2 years ago, no rational person doubted that SW surpassed ST in FTL, industrial capability, firepower, and everything else. The only reason the debates have gone on this long is because of the legions of Trekkies who refuse to admit the truth.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-09-24 09:16pm

G O D wrote:
Foolish mortal. The burden of proof is on you to prove that I do not exist.

Furthermore, my dick is as long as I want it to be.

If your really are GOD *which your not* I would call you the Devil instead.
As if GOD is real then he wouldn't have manners like you. In fact, he wouldn't like you since you took his name in vain and proclaiming YOURSELF GOD. He would burn you in hell but hey i'm an Atheist too heheh.

Actually no i'm an agnosticist which for anyone who do not know is 1.The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2.The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

Cyaround,
Jason

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-09-24 09:37pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
G O D wrote:Whaaat? Trek will never die!

I cannot possibly imagine how Trek can defeat Wars! Wars' pitiful 'lasers' couldn't even pentrate the navigational deflectors, and the Empire's pitiful 1000 ship navy is NO MATCH for the 12,000 warships of STARFLEET!

Suck it down, biatch!
I just knew that if there were a God, he'd be a Trekkie.

God's too smart to be a Trekkie. In fact, he's probably debating with GK in heaven right now... Oh, wait, GK isn't ? Oh, damn, I wish he was.

We can still discuss SW and ST, and Nemisis and Episode III will bringup more arguments.

Now, it seems that we're getting several people who are pretending to be rabid Trekkies. We've sunk that low already?

Laughing Mechanicus · Post by **Laughing Mechanicus** » 2002-09-24 09:45pm

Right, had enough of that stupid lasers argument...

Wars' pitiful 'lasers' couldn't even pentrate the navigational deflectors,

This argument is old, very old, however I'm bored so I'll spell it out for you. "Lasers" from Star Wars have been proven time and again to be nothing like real lasers, anyone who has a scrap of knowledge about real lasers would see this instantly.

Firstly, real lasers being beams of light travel, at the speed of light. Now unless you are willing to concede everything in the Star Wars universe is unimagineably huge then the "travel time" from gun to target for Star Wars lasers proves cannot be traveling at the speed of light and hence are not the same as real lasers.

Secondly, real lasers contrary to popular belief do not glow brightly in a vacuum, infact the only way you can actually see them is if you are facing head on to the laser (i.e. its target). However we obviously can see the various "beams" from turbolasers and blasters in Star Wars and hence again, we can prove they are not lasers as we understand them.

"but they're called lasers biatch!!!" I hear you whimper?
Think about this, modern armies refer to their armored and helicopter sections as "cavalry" does this mean they ride into battle on horses? no, ofcourse not, it means they used to use horses and decided to keep the terminology for reasons of simplicity/tradition. Coming back to the point of helicopters, helicopters are sometimes refered to as "aeroplanes" even though "planes" actually refers to the flat plane of a fixed winged aircrafts wings. Modern anti-tank rounds fired from tank guns are called "Sabot", this term is a hand down from very early medieval cannon, who projectiles were named that because they looked like a particular design of french peasants shoe of the same name, does this mean modern tanks fire ancient cannon rounds?

There have been a couple of incidents in Star Trek where the crew have had real reason to fear lasers (even the primitive ST vareity...), the most notable of these is the cutting laser the Borg use to devastating effect against the federation, sometimes cutting chunks out of ships to assimilate them seperately, why didn't these magic navigational shields stop those primitive ST lasers? (why navigational shields should stop light in the first place is an interesting question)

And before you refute any of these claims you'll want to read this and this. Thats right, you should actually read the fucking site the forums are hosted on before posting here, or are you too afraid of what you'll see?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-09-24 09:52pm

Aaron Ash wrote: And before you refute any of these claims you'll want to read this and this. Thats right, you should actually read the fucking site the forums are hosted on before posting here, or are you too afraid of what you'll see?

before you refute any of these claims.
*clears throat* "You mean before you "TRY" to refute any of these claims.

Cyaround,
Jason

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-24 10:05pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
G O D wrote:Whaaat? Trek will never die!

I cannot possibly imagine how Trek can defeat Wars! Wars' pitiful 'lasers' couldn't even pentrate the navigational deflectors, and the Empire's pitiful 1000 ship navy is NO MATCH for the 12,000 warships of STARFLEET!

Suck it down, biatch!
I just knew that if there were a God, he'd be a Trekkie.

I just knew God was an idiot.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-09-24 10:17pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Evil Jerk wrote: I just knew that if there were a God, he'd be a Trekkie.
I just knew God was an idiot.

Feels good to say that eh?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-24 10:30pm

I was thinking that the subject was they finally canceled Enterprise too in the wake of the ultra compettitive network ratings wars.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-09-24 10:57pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:I was thinking that the subject was they finally canceled Enterprise too in the wake of the ultra compettitive network ratings wars.

Technically, Enterprise isn't Trek (even though it looks like Trek, sounds like Trek, and stinks like Trek), so strictly speaking Trek is dead.

May the celebrations begin.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-09-24 11:26pm

Hurray trek is dead but wait b&b are still alive bummer.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-25 12:07am

Admiral Drason wrote:Hurray trek is dead but wait b&b are still alive bummer.

Pray/sacrifice/chant that they don't get a SW license.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-09-25 03:51am

Berman and Bragga=Beavis and Butthead??

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-25 04:04am

At least Beavis and Butthead had *some* humor...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 04:07am

Well what do you think happened to all the braincells they killed snorting paint fumes.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-25 06:28am

Ack!! That's it!

Beavis and Butthead grew up to *become* B&B!!!

Unholy Batshit Revelations!!!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-09-25 12:33pm

I dunno...Butthead seems more than capable to write something better than Berman or Bragga combined

Beavis can also obviously do far better character development as well.

I mean to so sully them into becoming B&B in their adult years...seems distasteful

I say B&B are obviously Roddenberry's illegitimate kids from a bad cloning procedure.

Andrew Joshua Talon · Post by **Andrew Joshua Talon** » 2002-09-25 01:37pm

Do what you want. I joined far too late.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-25 02:09pm

EmperorMing wrote:At least Beavis and Butthead had *some* humor...

Berman and Bragga are kinda funny, in their own pathetic way.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-09-25 02:14pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
EmperorMing wrote:At least Beavis and Butthead had *some* humor...
Berman and Bragga are kinda funny, in their own pathetic way.

That's it! I don't understand you guys! Would you prefer the idiotic duo to make ST actually powerful and populated with clever beings instead of vegetables? Would you prefer to be living in a world where every trekkie had a smile in his face and where ST actually would be able to inflict major punishment in an unsuspecting galactic empire?

It looks that way to me!

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-09-25 02:40pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
EmperorMing wrote:At least Beavis and Butthead had *some* humor...
Berman and Bragga are kinda funny, in their own pathetic way.
That's it! I don't understand you guys! Would you prefer the idiotic duo to make ST actually powerful and populated with clever beings instead of vegetables? Would you prefer to be living in a world where every trekkie had a smile in his face and where ST actually would be able to inflict major punishment in an unsuspecting galactic empire?

It looks that way to me!

Nobody who actually reviews the facts available seriously debates this. As they stand and with all assets readily available, the ST universe stands no chance against the SW world. The only race in ST capable of even providing irritation to the GE is the Borg, yet their tactical stupidity would likely quickly ensure their demise.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 02:50pm

ST Vs SW would go to ST simply because ST has some pretty nice races out there with some uber power therefore in a battle royale between the two universes SW would be sent packing (Not including the God like folks).

The Imps Vs the usual ST suspects however would be an Imp victory but the power of technobable cannot be undone on a universe vs universe scale.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-09-25 03:27pm

G O D wrote:
I'm not going to even bother telling him canon info. It's obvious these type I Trekkies will never learn. Especially for those with his behavior.
You're just begging for an eternity in the flaming tar pits of Hell.

Provide one shred of evidence that SW can beat ST. Man-punk.

First, as the accuser, the burden of proof is on you.

Second, you are not God. Just as a Hispanic named Jesus is not Christ. And if you were a true Christian, you would remember Christ's teaching (ie. mortal men are required to forgive all people, no matter what sins they've committed).

Third, is your name George Lucas? Gene Roddenberry? Majel Roddenberry? Official representative in canon matters for Lucasfilm/Paramount? Didn't think so. That gives you zero authority to set yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of which setting is more powerful... and means you're forced to prove any claims you make, just like everyone else here. To say that ST beats SW because you say so is arrogance in the extreme, and completely unfounded.

Fourth, your resorting to ad hominim attacks in lieue of presenting evidence, as well as misquoting dialogue, means you're trying to stand on top of a flagpole while holding both feet behind your back... and will lead to a flagpole probe of a most painful sort.

And finally... you don't have to be a Warsie or a Trekkie to know that SW beats ST in terms of technology, firepower, and ability to win a face-to-face confrontation.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-09-25 03:28pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:I was thinking that the subject was they finally canceled Enterprise too in the wake of the ultra compettitive network ratings wars.

Doubtful. They haven't cancelled Buffy yet, after all...

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-25 03:56pm

TheDarkling wrote:ST Vs SW would go to ST simply because ST has some pretty nice races out there with some uber power therefore in a battle royale between the two universes SW would be sent packing (Not including the God like folks).

The Imps Vs the usual ST suspects however would be an Imp victory but the power of technobable cannot be undone on a universe vs universe scale.

Ah well you're forgetting that would be an artificially set up scenario in which those races actually side with the Feds/Borg etc.
In case of a real imperial invasion, though, they wouldn't do anything.

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