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Posted: 2002-10-03 09:35pm
by Mr Bean
In the future you might gain more respect by considering the number of service men who WILL die doing this
You seem forget, old Bean IS a serviceman and likley will be called up for Service when we go to War, Specficly CmdrWilkens I'm a Navy Cyrpty whos due for a re-asignment in Augest and likley this time it will be shipboard
Frankly I think that war mongers who think we have some right and need to invade should be placed in their stead so that they don't have to die for your blood thirst.
Frankly its NOT blood thirst its a basic calucation of worth, Saddamn has repeatbly been show to demosrate support for various terriorst groups, has access to various mass-destruction chemical/biolgiocal and possibly Nuclear and whats to stop him from *Handing it off to some other group or having it be *stolen or hell, Blame the Russians when it goes off in Boston and kills twenty thousand, the state Russia is in, they keep track of thier nukes, but not enough to convinse us...

And as IRG mentioned
Err....B-2's and Tomahawks bombing their tanks mean that it would save more lives when we do eventually invade...I fail to see your point.
Yes thusly my point, every day we are giving him time to prepare means more people will die, Be it citizins in the US when he perfects his nuclear or biological weaponry or Troops dieing to defenses and such he had time to prepare

Right now half the Tanks of the Iraqy are out being serviced or out in the open, If we can elminate a good twenty to seventy perecent of his Armor with a suprise attack before he has time to dispurce them and hide them, Think that might save some lives?

Belive me if you think you've seen stonewalling by the Democrats so far, you've seen NOTHING comapred to what would happen if a Nuke or Plauge was realeased and Saddam threatens the US with more if they attack...

Posted: 2002-10-03 10:06pm
by Azeron
CmdrWilkens,

I see that you are worried abot dieing in this war, and I understand perfectly that you don't want to fight it. I suggest you resign your commission. I don't want to see you die in a cause you don't think is worth fighting for, and it looks like we are going to invade.

thanks for your point of view, I am sure all americans are grateful for the years of service you have provided. But I can't ask someone who doesn't want to fight, to fight and thats what we have a military for.

Posted: 2002-10-04 10:12am
by RedImperator
This is a blatent attempt by the Democratic party to change the rules and ditch a losing candidate before a Republican gets elected. I'm not surprised at all the NJ Supreme Court is allowing this, since the justices have a long history of contempt for the legislative process at all levels. Fortunately, the US Supreme Court takes a rather dim view of judicial activism of this sort. As for the argument that NJ voters deserve a choice, they had and have plenty of choices. They had a choice in the June primaries to pick someone besides a sleazebag like Toricelli to run on the Democratic ticket. They have a choice now to vote for a third party candidate, a write-in, or to stay home. Toricelli had a choice to either be a corrupt sleazebag or not. Toricelli has the choice now to resign his seat and let McGreevy appoint Lautenberg to the vacant seat, which would legally let Lautenberg run. Instead, the Democratic Party has decided to ignore the law and hope the courts back them up. No matter what happens, I'll especially enjoy voting against the Democrats this year.

Posted: 2002-10-04 02:57pm
by Knife
The really bad part, and I think the lawyers for the Rebulicans said it durring the NJ SC argument is that if they the DEMS get away with this, every Sept to Oct they will be back in front of the courts for the same thing. I don't know about you but I do not want a court to decide every election in America. This needs to be stopped NOW, both parties will use this presedent in the future and it can not be alowed to happen.

Posted: 2002-10-04 04:26pm
by Azeron
I beleive the constitution is quite clear in this matter, as the republicans put in thier brief. The Constitution expressly delegates the right to set the regulations governing elections to the STATE LEGISLATURES as a plenary right and responsibility, not to the courts. The courts must interpt the laws conservatively, not liberally, as long as the laws are in compliance with federal guidlines, federal statutes, and the Constituitons protections. In other words, 51 days is 52 days, is 51 days no matter how you slice it and the court may not question the wisdom of the legislature as the legislature is beholden to the federal constitution, not the state constitution in this matter.

Posted: 2002-10-04 06:11pm
by Admiral Piett
Azeron wrote:If i recall Gore was a hovercraft captain during the war. they operated for about 2 weeks,.... if I recall.
That must have been a shitty task.They were used,if I recall correctly, in an attempt to cut vietnamese supply lines.They became quickly
a top priority target and losses were very high.Consequentially they were withdrawn shortly after.

Posted: 2002-10-04 06:31pm
by Azeron
Actually, although the boats got trashed, since the boats were relatively heavily armoured, and rpgs were useless in the swamps, they were highly effective, and were successful, clearing out a delta in 2 weeks what would have taken months by a much larger ground force.

They were a victem of their own success, there was no need for them for the rest of the time, so they put em away.