Patriot Act employed in non-terrorist case!

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-11-17 06:07pm

One problem with your statement, mister DoJ lackey. The official name of the Patriot Act is, get this, The, "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act." Now please, tell me the intention...

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-11-17 06:11pm

Congress was moving to do something about the act. They're taking a loooooooonng time.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-11-17 06:20pm

RedImperator wrote:
Vympel wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Don't try things like logic on this branch of the population. After all, ID cards are an inevitable step towards thought control chips in our heads.
What's wrong with ID cards now? The shit I miss out on ...
There was a discussion in another thread on whether government issues ID cards should be mandatory for all citizens to carry. The arguments ranged from, "Sure, why not? I have nothing to hide" to "There's nothing wrong with the idea of an ID card in theory, but the government has no cause to mandate carrying it" to "ID cards are the next step in the government's plan to track everyone, everywhere at all times". The only argument we didn't hear is "ID cards are the Mark of the Beast in Revelations! The end times are coming! Hooray for Jesus!"

Hehe... I will invite my father in then...

I suppose it would depend on what is in the ID... If it has your criminal record. and private info like that... no...

I it has basic contact info, maybe your occupation, and shit that you could look in a phone book to find... Medical history in case of an accident... Why not?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-11-17 06:52pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
Vympel wrote: What's wrong with ID cards now? The shit I miss out on ...
There was a discussion in another thread on whether government issues ID cards should be mandatory for all citizens to carry. The arguments ranged from, "Sure, why not? I have nothing to hide" to "There's nothing wrong with the idea of an ID card in theory, but the government has no cause to mandate carrying it" to "ID cards are the next step in the government's plan to track everyone, everywhere at all times". The only argument we didn't hear is "ID cards are the Mark of the Beast in Revelations! The end times are coming! Hooray for Jesus!"
Hehe... I will invite my father in then...

I suppose it would depend on what is in the ID... If it has your criminal record. and private info like that... no...

I it has basic contact info, maybe your occupation, and shit that you could look in a phone book to find... Medical history in case of an accident... Why not?

As I do have such a thing: My ID card holds name, date and place of birth, nationality, adress, eye colour, and height, as well as a photo. It's also machine-readable.

baelfire1945 · Post by **baelfire1945** » 2003-11-18 01:29am

It isn't like this abuse of the Patriot Act is a surprise. The biggest surprise to me is that this is the first time of heard of it happening. I expected it to start long ago. I now feel very vindicated in a statement I made debating the Patriot Act with one of my conservative teachers when the Act was first instated. It went something like, "But what happens when they start invoking the laws in the Patriot Act against private citizens?"

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-11-18 01:11pm

Fortunately, PATRIOT was passed as a temporary measure with all kinds of sunset clauses that at this point, I don't think the DoJ is going to get overturned despite how hard they're lobbying. In 2006, most of the act will come under Congressional review. Unless there's a major terrorist attack on American soil between then and now, I doubt they'll be renewed. It's not just Democrats who dislike PATRIOT anymore--a number of Republicans are alarmed by the laws they helped pass and are getting tired of John Ashcroft. Not to mention, very little of PATRIOT has come into the courts yet. And if a Democrat wins in 2004, the whole thing might get defenestrated.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 01:33pm

RedImperator wrote:The only argument we didn't hear is "ID cards are the Mark of the Beast in Revelations! The end times are coming! Hooray for Jesus!"

Thank God, because I'm sick of that argument