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Col. Crackpot wrote:why u gotta be a playa hater, yo?

Foo, you besta stop trippin on me fo I smoke yo ass.

At any rate, Ebonics or "Slanguage" as it is referred to gets on my nerves to no end. I hear this garbage at work every day and it Boggles my fucking mind to hear this shit being spoken to customers on the phone. WHEN TALKING ABOUT A MORTGAGE, NO LESS. Arguably not always a simple three-word conversation. (Customer's often need instruction on exactly HOW their escrow account became 600.00 short) to hear attempts to explain this in pidgin speak is, to say the least, annoying as a metallic splinter up my asshole. Words like "Aks" in place of ask, and "Da" in place of the, make people sound unintelligent and uninformed. Dare I say it? Stupid. Where did fucking "aks" come from anyway? What a stupid fucking piece of shit meaningless word. (Unless you refer to a weapon or tool) *deep breath*

Gotta take calls now.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's not a real word is what I meant, dink.

Define "real word".

revprez wrote:....who's into the hip hop culture, btw?

I used to be. But mainly because it was "the thing". It would have been social suicide to swim against the current at my high school. But as I got older and went to college it seemed more and more silly to me. Plus, I wasn't raised "street" anyway. The whole hip hop thing is a recent fad in the Caribbean. On the island I grew up on there aren't any neighborhoods that are remotely comparable to a North American ghetto, despite what some people down there would have you believe. In addition, the local culture is quite dissimilar. The only thing that could be called is hip hop about me might be my casual wardrobe.

XaLEv wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's not a real word is what I meant, dink.

Define "real word".

Don't you just love SD.net debating

A real word is one that doesn't sound like something someone just fucking made up to sound smart or trendy or for whatever the hell reasons people make up stupid fake words.

Real words are presumably those whose definitions are understood by the majority of the people who speak a particular language. In the case of most "ebonics" words, the majority of the population does not understand them, so they can't be considered real words.

Words which are not understood by the majority are either considered "jargon" (for tech terms) or dialect (or a few more negative terms ).

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hip Hop was invented as an additional mean for white American teenagers to further embarass themselves.

You forgot middle class. I've never seen one wigger from a working class family.

Lord Pounder wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hip Hop was invented as an additional mean for white American teenagers to further embarass themselves.

You forgot middle class. I've never seen one wigger from a working class family.

Lucky you

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:"Slanguage" isn't a fucking word, doorknob...

Sure it is.

Main Entry: slan·guage
Pronunciation: 'sla[ng]-gwij
Function: noun
Etymology: blend of slang and language
Date: 1879
: slangy speech or writing

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Hey, I gotta an idea. Let's start over again. My name is Prez.

Rev Prez

Lord Pounder wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hip Hop was invented as an additional mean for white American teenagers to further embarass themselves.

You forgot middle class. I've never seen one wigger from a working class family.

Yes, you're absolutely right. How careless of me.

They're also the same type who have parents that often suffer from White Middle Class Guilt Syndrome.

I'm afraid, Spanky, that "revprez" is right. It is a word as Dictionary.com says. I doubt I'll find it in the OED though.

People make new words with their culture or specialisation. Some are stupid and die out, others are cool and stay on. Language by the people, for the people.

Darth Wong wrote:Ever try going for a job interview with a respectable firm while wearing hip-hop clothes?

Ever try getting a job interview wearing torn jeans and a Panthera T-shirt? Or do you have some data that correlates participation in the "hip hop culture" to unemployment.

Ever wonder why you don't get hired?

Never had that problem.

Hip-hop is the culture of people who want to forever pretend that they're kids in the ghetto. People grow out of it.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

Rev Prez

revprez wrote:*snip*
Rev Prez

Whatever. Use it again and I'll tear out your guts with a claw hammer.

2000AD wrote:I'm not much of a hip-hop / rap fan as i find it 1% killer and 99% filler. However i generally find that the 1% are very good pieces of music IMO, for eg. Where is the Love by the Black Eyed Peas which IMO is what Imagine would have sounded like if Lennon was a rapper.

I prefer Black Eyed Peas from their "Empire Strikes Black" days; better production, IMO.

Rev Prez

revprez wrote:Ever wonder why you don't get hired?

Never had that problem.
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Why? Mommy and Daddy still paying the bills?

revprez wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Ever try going for a job interview with a respectable firm while wearing hip-hop clothes?

Ever try getting a job interview wearing torn jeans and a Panthera T-shirt? Or do you have some data that correlates participation in the "hip hop culture" to unemployment.

What makes you think I'm about to defend that culture either? Nice "false dilemma" fallacy though; perhaps it should have occurred to you that there are more than two choices.

Ever wonder why you don't get hired?

Never had that problem.

Hip-hop is the culture of people who want to forever pretend that they're kids in the ghetto. People grow out of it.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
Rev Prez

This from someone who does not have a job or a family.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hip Hop was invented as an additional mean for white American teenagers to further embarass themselves.

Hip hop developed in the Bronx thirty years ago when DJs at block parties started playing only the breaks from funk, soul and R&B LPs. Some Puero Rican kid (can't remember his name) developed a very acrobatic style of dance that combined capoeira with contemporary urban schemes to develop breakdancing. Emceeing started when DJ Kool Herc started shouting out to the crowd between mixes, which corresponds with the first time turntablist entered into the street lexicon. For ten years it remained a largely inner-city NYC thing until Run DMC and Beastie Boys blew up on Def Jam. Since then, there's been enormous tension between the far larger underground and the clique of highly paid signed artists on major record labels--I imagine there's a similar story in contemporary rock.

Rev Prez

2000AD wrote:

XaLEv wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's not a real word is what I meant, dink.

Define "real word".

Don't you just love SD.net debating

It definitely gives the board character.

Rev Prez

revprez wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hip Hop was invented as an additional mean for white American teenagers to further embarass themselves.

Hip hop developed in the Bronx thirty years ago when DJs at block parties started playing only the breaks from funk, soul and R&B LPs. Some Puero Rican kid (can't remember his name) developed a very acrobatic style of dance that combined capoeira with contemporary urban schemes to develop breakdancing. Emceeing started when DJ Kool Herc started shouting out to the crowd between mixes, which corresponds with the first time turntablist entered into the street lexicon. For ten years it remained a largely inner-city NYC thing until Run DMC and Beastie Boys blew up on Def Jam. Since then, there's been enormous tension between the far larger underground and the clique of highly paid signed artists on major record labels--I imagine there's a similar story in contemporary rock.

Rev Prez

It's called a joke, you stupid fuck. I fucking know where Hip Hop came from...

As much as I hate to admit it again, revprez does seem to have a point that you don't get hired for jobs if you're wearing any kind of informal wear. Hip-hop style or punk, it'd still set a bad impression unless you ripped it off to show a Versace suit beneath.

That said, I fucking hate the stuff and the Black Eyed Peas and their "smash hit" Where Is The Love? pissed me off no end. I'm sure that stuff actually causes the other half of the genre to try and gun down every last human within sight.

Darth Wong wrote:Real words are presumably those whose definitions are understood by the majority of the people who speak a particular language. In the case of most "ebonics" words, the majority of the population does not understand them, so they can't be considered real words.

I'm not sure what you mean by ebonics. There have been a number of attempts to mimic the Black urban dialect in this thread that bear absolutely no resemblance to the way we speak at all.

Words which are not understood by the majority are either considered "jargon" (for tech terms) or dialect (or a few more negative terms ).

I agree, although I doubt linguists would be so crass as to use the term "real word" to distinguish between the mainstream dialect and other subsets of English.

Rev Prez

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's called a joke, you stupid fuck. I fucking know where Hip Hop came from...

I know, I just thought it might be appropriate to append a brief history of the artform.

Rev Prez

You're kind of an ass, you know that?

revprez wrote:

2000AD wrote:Don't you just love SD.net debating

It definitely gives the board character.

Rev Prez

Yes, that's one way of putting it...

How far do you emulate hip-hop culture anyway, prez? I'm wondering if it truly affects your lifestyle, because everyone I know that really gets into rap, R&B and hip-hop typically ends up becoming more and more like the artists they most like.

One such person I knew was in my old English class, called Shakir. He had a real "Fuck everything" attitude and constantly listened to Snoop Dogg. I had to wonder.