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Posted: 2004-04-18 03:36pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Bill Watterson explained in the Tenth Anniversary Book that the different appearences of Hobbes is because that's how he's seen by different people. Because of his imagination, Calvin sees Hobbes as real, while people like his parents and Susie see him as the stuffed toy he really is. There's nothing special or magical about Hobbes.
So #2.
*myan*
Posted: 2004-04-18 04:00pm
by The Prime Necromancer
What is Hobbes?
Hobbes is...
Tyler Durden. 
Posted: 2004-04-18 04:09pm
by Defiant
The Prime Necromancer wrote:What is Hobbes?
Hobbes is...
Tyler Durden. 
Wow. That's pretty deep. Interesting connection.
Posted: 2004-04-18 04:24pm
by The Kernel
The Prime Necromancer wrote:What is Hobbes?
Hobbes is...
Tyler Durden. 
That is a truly excellent piece and it fits quite well.
Posted: 2004-04-18 06:40pm
by RogueIce
I miss it.
Still, what always made me wonder about what is "real" and what isn't in Calvin & Hobbes was the clone Calvin incident...
Y'know, where he laments that he's getting blamed for all this stuff, and he doesn't even get the fun of doing it?

Posted: 2004-04-18 08:34pm
by Trogdor
I believe I recall reading something in one of collections, possibly the tenth anniversary book, that Watterson just never bothered to clarify what exactly Hobbes was, just like he never bothered to name Calvin's parents, so Hobbes is really neither a real tiger who can imitate a stuffed toy nor a figment of Calvin's imagination.
Posted: 2004-04-18 08:57pm
by Rogue 9
Its not that he never bothered to clarify. Several stories intentionally went way out of their way to avoid resolving the issue. We don't know, we're not meant to know, and Watterson claims to not really know himself.
Posted: 2004-04-18 08:59pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Even though he explained it in the Tenth Anniversary Book?
No offence, but seriously, are some of you people stupid, or do you just not bother reading the whole thread before responding?

Posted: 2004-04-18 09:01pm
by phongn
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Bill Watterson explained in the Tenth Anniversary Book that the different appearences of Hobbes is because that's how he's seen by different people. Because of his imagination, Calvin sees Hobbes as real, while people like his parents and Susie see him as the stuffed toy he really is. There's nothing special or magical about Hobbes.
So #2.
Watterson never stated that Calvin imagined that Hobbes was real. Ergo, #2 is not the answer.
Posted: 2004-04-18 09:01pm
by Rogue 9
He explained exactly what I just said, in almost my exact words, in the Tenth Anniversary Book.

Posted: 2004-04-18 09:03pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Okay, not real, that was a mistake on my part because my copy is in CR.
He did say however that that was how Calvin saw Hobbes, which differs from how other people see Hobbes.
*myan*
EDIT: Checked it out on Amazon using the "search inside this book" function. While he doesn't explain exactly "why," he says it's literally depicting two different views of reality, because everyone sees things differently from everyone else.
*myan*
Posted: 2004-04-19 09:03am
by Ace Pace
The so-called "gimmick" of my strip- the two versions of Hobbes- is sometimes misunderstood. I don't think of Hobbes as a doll that miraculously comes to life when Calvin's around. Neither do I think of Hobbes as the product of Calvin's imagination. The nature of Hobbes's reality dosn't interest me, and each story goes out of its way to avoid resolving the issue. Cavin sees Hobbes one way, and everyone else sees Hobbes another way. I show two versions of reality, and each makes complete sense to the participant who sees it. I think that's how life works. None of us sees the world in exactly the same way, and I just draw that literally in the strip. Hobbes is more about the subjective nature of reality then about dolls coming to life.
Yes I was bored, but it clearly shows there IS no answer out of those 3 options.
Posted: 2004-04-19 09:19am
by Darth Raptor
I love the dinosaur strips, but nothing gets me more than the snowmen.
Posted: 2004-04-19 09:54am
by Peregrin Toker
Ace Pace wrote:
Exactly like Hamster Huey, its up for us to decide what is it!
I'm sure that it has something to do with the G'N'R album "The Spaghetti Incident".
Lazy Raptor wrote:
I love the dinosaur strips, but nothing gets me more than the snowmen.
I prefer the Calvinball and Spaceman Spiff strips, as well as Stupendous Man.
Posted: 2004-04-19 10:03am
by PainRack
phongn wrote:Bill Watterson was intentionally vague as to Hobbes' status.
Not when in the very first few strips, he showed Calvin father finding a stuffed tiger on the road and giving it to Calvin as a gift.
Posted: 2004-04-19 10:06am
by PainRack
Just how many detectives stories are there? I only read two so far
Posted: 2004-04-19 10:25am
by Peregrin Toker
PainRack wrote:Just how many detectives stories are there? I only read two so far
They're nowhere as common as the Spiff ones, that's for certain.
Posted: 2004-04-19 10:37am
by phongn
PainRack wrote:phongn wrote:Bill Watterson was intentionally vague as to Hobbes' status.
Not when in the very first few strips, he showed Calvin father finding a stuffed tiger on the road and giving it to Calvin as a gift.
That's the point, though. Calvin sees Hobbes as a real tiger; everyone else seems him as a stuffed tiger. Which is he?
Posted: 2004-04-19 10:52am
by Darth Raptor
PainRack wrote:Just how many detectives stories are there? I only read two so far
Tracer Bullet? Those are funny, but he didn't do too many. The heavy shading made them time consuming.
Posted: 2004-04-19 12:10pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Peregrin Toker wrote:Ace Pace wrote:
Exactly like Hamster Huey, its up for us to decide what is it!
I'm sure that it has something to do with the G'N'R album "The Spaghetti Incident".
I doub't it. Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Not everything is a reference to something else, and it is incredibly easy to just make stuff up.
Again, I don't see why everyone's still saying it's so vague when you have the answere right up there in Ace Pace's post. It's just literally depicting two interpretations of reality. That's it.
Posted: 2004-04-19 01:22pm
by Ace Pace
PainRack wrote:
Not when in the very first few strips, he showed Calvin father finding a stuffed tiger on the road and giving it to Calvin as a gift.
Huh?
The first strip clearly shows something differnt.
http://www.arcetri.astro.it/~corti/calvinfirst.html
Posted: 2004-04-19 02:25pm
by Kuja
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Again, I don't see why everyone's still saying it's so vague when you have the answere right up there in Ace Pace's post. It's just literally depicting two interpretations of reality. That's it.
But then Watterson tosses in stories like the one where Hobbes was slicing up Calvin's mom's magazines and putting the letters in Calvin's mailbox. Calvin genuinely thought they were from someone else until his mom noticed that her magazines were being cut up. Then he got pissed off and confronted Hobbes about it.
So, if it's simply two interpretations of reality, then what's going on? Was Calivn cutting up his mom's magazines and then erasing his own memory?
Re: Question on Calvin and Hobbes
Posted: 2004-04-19 02:46pm
by Zoink
It's like in Rashamon, it depends on who's perspective it is

Posted: 2004-04-19 03:19pm
by neoolong
I'm telling you, it's like Batman's villain Scarface. A split personality personified in an inanimate object.
The puppet and the stuffed animal.
Posted: 2004-04-19 03:21pm
by Peregrin Toker
neoolong wrote:I'm telling you, it's like Batman's villain Scarface. A split personality personified in an inanimate object.
Scarface? I thought he was called Two-Face?