Hyperspace speeds

[PainRack]

I really doubt the phrasing of this really has the wiggle room for that to fit in.

Not if the point 4 cruising speed, does not delineate top speed but rather top acceleration per fuel consumption.

Well other authors are minimalists, but to my knowledge Zahn is the only one who is a minimalist insofar that it relates to a skewed view of distance and scale between worlds in the SW galaxy. Remember, in Vision of the Future he suggests that the New Republic is less than a quarter of the galactic disk.

Really? What happened to that babara chick, the one who wrote The New Rebellion, where a single factory planet has the ability to hotwire entire sectors, if not the entire galaxy with wham bam exploding bot?

Or Ann C Crisp, which restricts Han Solo smuggling to the Nar Shadaa and Hutt routes, as well as the Corporate Sector, when both canon and other EU depicts a much more varied history, like 11 piracies? Or where an Imperial Moff, can only garner a few miserable dreadnaughts, bulk cruisers for power projection?

Black Fleet crisis is another example of skewed view of distance and scale, when hyperdrive equipped units will require days of transit.

KJA is also a profilic abuser of hyperdrive speeds, alternatively ramping them up and down for his own good. Hell, he will make us believe that hours long journey through the Kessel Run, with its high cost in fuel for impulse propulsion will actually result in a net benefit in fuel consumption and journey time. This is ludricious, especially if you incoporate pre JAT Kessel Run info, where it is stated that the shaving in fuel and time is only hours.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Thanks for a bunch of red herrings. I said there were other minimalists. None actually shrank "the galaxy" down to a fraction of that. Sure plenty of them just don't have any idea what a galaxy really is, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, it doesn't even relate to the point of the max speed of the Vic which is from a Zahn novel, anyway.

Also: It does not take negative energy to accelerate past c. You cannot and do not accelerate past c. The hyperdrive "shifts" the ship from a tardyonic point of reference to a tachyonic frame of reference without going through the interim velocities.

In hyperspace, velocity increases as energy is lost and vice versa. (Drag increases the velocity of tachyons).

[althornin]

I have only one problem witht he speeds as quoted - they would result in the ship (running at 15,000ly/hour) to run into a quite fantastically large amount of particles - particle density in space is roughly .1atoms of hydrogen per cubic centimeter, at the low end, and that does not include larger particles.

At this speed, a single gram of hydrogen would hit with a kinetic energy of enormous proportions, and utterly destroy the ship.

unless I'm not thinking clearly.

[PainRack]

Thanks for a bunch of red herrings. I said there were other minimalists. None actually shrank "the galaxy" down to a fraction of that. Sure plenty of them just don't have any idea what a galaxy really is, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Bollocks! Try that again with The New Rebellion, where a single factory planet outfitted entire sectors, if not the whole galaxy with exploding droids.

Furthermore, it doesn't even relate to the point of the max speed of the Vic which is from a Zahn novel, anyway.

Or acceleration values. Which is what I said, and you disregard.

Also: It does not take negative energy to accelerate past c. You cannot and do not accelerate past c. The hyperdrive "shifts" the ship from a tardyonic point of reference to a tachyonic frame of reference without going through the interim velocities.

Red herring. I meant it technically required "negative" energy to accelerate when you are past c, not require "negative" energy to break the speed barrier. Of course, I'm glad to see that you actually ignored the relevent parts of the post, which was to note that BFC as well as Stackpole both conclude that the majority of fuel expenditure is during the run up to lightspeed, and not in hyperspace itself.

The Core as a point? The Core Worlds are actually the regions of the disk immediately around the galactic bulge (which defines the Core Systems or Deep Core). Coruscant itself is thousands of light-years from the physical centre of rotation in the galaxy.

Nice of you to totally throw off the issue. Of course I know the Core is a region, HOWEVER, what I'm trying to get is the distance Maul travelled. Using the 40k ly and 12k ly away from Core values in the map description, and assuming the Core is a point as opposed to the "region it actually is", then we get a min distance of 52k ly. Someone later pointed out that the scale can also be used, which gives us a distance of 60k odd ly. Nice nitpicking, no reading comprehension whatsoever.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Bollocks! Try that again with The New Rebellion, where a single factory planet outfitted entire sectors, if not the whole galaxy with exploding droids.

Which means that the author doesn't get how much "stuff" is in a galaxy, and has precisely nothing to do with another author deciding, despite dozens of filmic references to "the galaxy" that it is not, in fact, "the galaxy" but instead a small percentage. This is relevent as in the former author will not assume as the latter one does that they're dealing with cross-Republic distances in the tens of thousands of lyrs, as opposed to the true, over one hundred-thousand light years. Yes it both creates a skewed few of SW civilization, but one of those views has implications which are directly relevent to this discussion, and the other one does not.

Or acceleration values. Which is what I said, and you disregard.

Create a real theory if you want me to defer to it as the most logical possibility. I don't have to defer to some vague "I looked at the Class figures and thought 'acceleration per fuel consumption.'" Produce a function relating the two, or at least a slightly more developed methodology of how that works.

Red herring. I meant it technically required "negative" energy to accelerate when you are past c, not require "negative" energy to break the speed barrier.

No, moron, it doesn't. Negative mass-energy is not required to accelerate in hyperspace. It requires kinetic energy loss. A ship firing its engines retrograde in hyperspace will accelerate; a ship firing its engines normally will deaccelerate (in fact Saxton theorizes that is what the Falcon was doing before it exited hyperspace at Alderaan in A New Hope).

Of course, I'm glad to see that you actually ignored the relevent parts of the post, which was to note that BFC as well as Stackpole both conclude that the majority of fuel expenditure is during the run up to lightspeed, and not in hyperspace itself.

I didn't reply to those because I had nothing to pick about them. Do you need me to quote them and affirm them for the benefit of your ego? Stop trying to make this into a me-trying-to-con-you thing. Its bullshit. I don't really care what your hypothesis is. My current position is I won't defer to it because its an immature theory and you haven't really told us enough of what its really saying. My point with Zahn was simply speculative on where his figures (which don't match up with other sources very well) may have come from.

Nice of you to totally throw off the issue.

Stop trying to make this into a me-trying-to-con-you thing. Its bullshit.

Of course I know the Core is a region, HOWEVER, what I'm trying to get is the distance Maul travelled. Using the 40k ly and 12k ly away from Core values in the map description, and assuming the Core is a point as opposed to the "region it actually is", then we get a min distance of 52k ly. Someone later pointed out that the scale can also be used, which gives us a distance of 60k odd ly. Nice nitpicking, no reading comprehension whatsoever.

I thought you were treating Coruscant as if it was at the center of the galaxy and then using the maps distance from the center marks as a straight-line distance, which is obviously flawed. Stop being an asshole, I wasn't actually disputing the figure.