Palestindains storm government offices in Gaza

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-21 03:40am

What an excellent dodge of the question.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-07-21 10:26am

Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:Also how about you address the profoundly important point about where any potential future leader is likely to stand upon the IvP issue, the chances are that any leader from the Gaza Strip will be less not more willing to deal with the Israeli’s than Arafat.
Why should I? I never mentioned anything about a new leader in any of my posts.

Because that question has been my central concern in this thread and was the sole point of my post which you initially responded to, here it is if your memory needs refreshing

Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:
The sooner Arafat is gone, the better it will get for the Palestinians.
Are you sure things will get better? Arafat is corrupt, brutal and in many ways a terrible leader but till we know who’ll take his place it’s impossible to say that things will get better. On the whole IvP thing Arafat is actually about as moderate a leader as Palestinians will tolerate it’s likely that any popular leader who takes his place will be more not less radical than him.
Electronic Jihad
When Arafat's own support base is demanding that he gets the hell out and takes his cronies with him, I doubt he's that popular. And the average Palestinian is starting to hate him, just read the above article and the e-zine it's attached to.

Why respond to my post at all if it was so irrelevant?

This is a Red Herring, my point is that the Palestinians are starting to want Arafat out.

Why is the question of who will replace Arafat a red herring? You seem to be rejoicing at seeing Arafat in difficulties without considering who will take his place that is quite frankly stupid. If he falls someone will step into the resulting power vacuum and they could well be worse than Arafat.

I've no clue, but now that the general Israeli public is starting to back a pullout of Gaza, there just might be sentiment among Palestinians that they'll get their land back.

You seem to be unaware of other half of Sharon’s plan which involves ethnically cleansing and annexing half of the West Bank, the Palestinians on the other hand are well aware of this half of the plan as such they have very little hope of getting their land back.

Unfortunately, Arafat isn't the person to represent the Palestinian cause for peace anymore, as he is losing (and perhaps has lost) credibility with his own people.

The unrest has a lot more to do with corruption within the Palestinian Authority than with discontent at the way Arafat has handled the IvP thing. The fact that Hamas is one the most significant political forces in Gaza tends to undermine your belief those rebelling want a more moderate figure to negotiate with the Israel. Have a read of this informative BBC article it gives a good summary of the situation.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-07-21 05:04pm

Plekhanov wrote:
Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:Also how about you address the profoundly important point about where any potential future leader is likely to stand upon the IvP issue, the chances are that any leader from the Gaza Strip will be less not more willing to deal with the Israeli’s than Arafat.
Why should I? I never mentioned anything about a new leader in any of my posts.
Because that question has been my central concern in this thread and was the sole point of my post which you initially responded to, here it is if your memory needs refreshing

Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Plekhanov wrote: Are you sure things will get better? Arafat is corrupt, brutal and in many ways a terrible leader but till we know who’ll take his place it’s impossible to say that things will get better. On the whole IvP thing Arafat is actually about as moderate a leader as Palestinians will tolerate it’s likely that any popular leader who takes his place will be more not less radical than him.
Electronic Jihad
When Arafat's own support base is demanding that he gets the hell out and takes his cronies with him, I doubt he's that popular. And the average Palestinian is starting to hate him, just read the above article and the e-zine it's attached to.
Why respond to my post at all if it was so irrelevant?

I'm sorry, my point is that the Palestinians are reaching the point where they're willing to fight to get rid of Arafat. If there's been any confusion, I apologize.

Why is the question of who will replace Arafat a red herring? You seem to be rejoicing at seeing Arafat in difficulties without considering who will take his place that is quite frankly stupid. If he falls someone will step into the resulting power vacuum and they could well be worse than Arafat.

Again, I don't know who'll step up to take his place. What I do know is that Palestinians won't stand for corruption anymore, and for the incessant playing of Both sides against the Middle that Arafat offers.

You seem to be unaware of other half of Sharon’s plan which involves ethnically cleansing and annexing half of the West Bank, the Palestinians on the other hand are well aware of this half of the plan as such they have very little hope of getting their land back.

I was unaware of that, I'll look into it more. Think Jordan'll take them back?