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Posted: 2002-11-05 11:08pm
by Guest
verilon wrote:King Cosmos wrote:Spanky The Dolphin wrote:However, Superman needs exposure to solar energy to be able to keep his powers up (like a rechargible battery).
I believe it is a yellow sun to be specific for Superman to recharge his powers.
Goku's planet doesn't have one...?
Yes, Goku's planet, *Earth* has a sun.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:08pm
by Kuja
I'd like to see Superman take a kienzan (Destructo Disk) to the chest and keep fighting. Hah.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:09pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Would ki energy count as magic? Because that's another weakness of Superman's.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:12pm
by Guest
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:DID YOU NOT EVEN FUCKING READ WHAT I FUCKING WROTE, COSMOS!!
I SAID I FORGOT TO SPECIFY YELLOW!! I FORGOT, GOD DAMN YOU!!!!
ahem... Carry on.
It is still a big deal.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:19pm
by Guest
verilon wrote:King Cosmos wrote:verilon wrote:
And what about the Androids?
What about them?
I think they may have killed him...but I may also be thinking incorrectly, as they destroyed other characters...
No, the Andriods did not kill Goku.
verilon wrote:King Cosmos wrote:verilon wrote:And even if he sacrificed himself, he still died
Cop out answer!
But he never died at the hands of some ogre of a monster...::cough Doomsday cough::
It's not a copout. I fone dies, one dies,m end of story.
Ok, but so did Superman. Besides, we all realize that Goku would win anyway. So Nyah
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:20pm
by haas mark
I didn't think so, and I changed my mind, so NYAH!
:P:P
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:21pm
by Guest
The Dark wrote:King Cosmos wrote:The Dark wrote:
Krillen would be funnier.
How about Mr. Satan? "World Martial Arts Champ" against the Man of Steel. He'd get his ass handed to him, but it would be funny.
Or Puar.
Wouldn't matter. People would still believe that Mr. Satan is the World's Martial Arts Champ. People still thought that way in DBGT I think.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:25pm
by Guest
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Toriyama didn't have anything to do with GT, and only did general approval work.
But he was still there. And besides, there is no "well this is canon and this is not" deal with Dragon Ball.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:52pm
by Darth Yoshi
Goku has far more destructive power than Superman, even if physically they are on par with one another. If as a SSJ 3 Goku was able to cause massive earthquakes around the world by simply powering up, how much damage do you think he can do with a Kamehameha blast?
One question. Could Gohan have gone SSJ 2 after being enhanced by the old Kai, and if so, why didn't he after it was apparent Buu was a lot stronger after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo? All right, maybe it was two questions.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:54pm
by Kuja
Darth Yoshi wrote:
One question. Could Gohan have gone SSJ 2 after being enhanced by the old Kai, and if so, why didn't he after it was apparent Buu was a lot stronger after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo? All right, maybe it was two questions.
Not exactly. He went 'SS Mystic' which enhances to beyond SSJ2 w/out the golden-style change.
Posted: 2002-11-05 11:59pm
by Mr Bean
We don't need SS2 3 or 4 here Fokes
Hell Goku per Namic is probably good enough to take down Superman
Aviable Powers that rip superman a New One
*BALDY FLASH!(Well not Realy its Called Solar flar blinds the enmies but every single time I saw Krillian use it thats what came into my head)
*Descructo Disk
As its pointed out this one ability lets weak panzy arse people take down fokes MUCH stronger them themsleves the cut-off point being Perfect Cell.
Remeber Fokes I said
Superman with no head=dead Superman
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:17am
by Yogi
At PL 250-ish Master Roshi could blow up the moon.
Let me repeat that 250 = Blow up the freaking MOON!! In ONE ATTACK. Superman would be hard pressed to match that.
Form two Freiza is a ONE MILLION. That is 250 * 4000. Four thousand times the power to blow up the moon.
SSJ3 Goku VERY LOW END ESTIMATE is Thirty MILLION. Most estimates place him more in the five hundred million range so thirty million is very low. Still, that's 12,000 times the power needed to blow up the moon.
Also, Muten Roshi's blast hit the moon in, let's be generous, twenty second. Meaning, it was traveling at around 1/20 the speed of light.
I'm going to temporarily disregard my "exponential speed calc" since it is still being refined. However, even by a liniar calc. attacks fired by SSJ3 Goku would travel at 600 times light speed.
Superman = Dead
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:28am
by GrandMasterTerwynn
King Cosmos wrote:verilon wrote:Hmm...you have your points...Goku wins...but only because of Beans points. And IIRC, I think he died at the hands of Frieza the second time around....but I also think I'm wrong. And he died at the hands of Cell. End of story. And what about the Androids? And even if he sacrificed himself, he still died.
The only points I seen were Mr. Beans "Superman cannot breath with no head" point. Goku is faster, stronger, and a hell of a lot smarter when it comes to battle sense, and I am not even mentioning all the whoop ass powers Goku has at his disposal. And he didn't die at the hands of Cell either. He teleported Cell off of the Earth to keep Cell from exploding.
Ummm, Goku didn't have that halo over his head for shits and giggles you know . . .
Posted: 2002-11-06 01:21am
by The Dark
What's meant is that Cell's combat techniques didn't kill Goku, it was the self-detruct mechanism (which also took out King Kai's entire planet). So, Goku has never been defeated in combat, only by side effects (Piccolo's beam drilling through both Raditz and Goku and Cell's self-destruct).
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:03pm
by Guest
IG-88E wrote:Darth Yoshi wrote:
One question. Could Gohan have gone SSJ 2 after being enhanced by the old Kai, and if so, why didn't he after it was apparent Buu was a lot stronger after absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo? All right, maybe it was two questions.
Not exactly. He went 'SS Mystic' which enhances to beyond SSJ2 w/out the golden-style change.
Yes, Mystic SSJ is between SSJ2 and SSJ3.
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:15pm
by Guest
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:King Cosmos wrote:verilon wrote:Hmm...you have your points...Goku wins...but only because of Beans points. And IIRC, I think he died at the hands of Frieza the second time around....but I also think I'm wrong. And he died at the hands of Cell. End of story. And what about the Androids? And even if he sacrificed himself, he still died.
The only points I seen were Mr. Beans "Superman cannot breath with no head" point. Goku is faster, stronger, and a hell of a lot smarter when it comes to battle sense, and I am not even mentioning all the whoop ass powers Goku has at his disposal. And he didn't die at the hands of Cell either. He teleported Cell off of the Earth to keep Cell from exploding.
But Cell didn't kill him by beating the crap out of him. Superman got his ass whooped by Doomsday only to cop-op on the rematch. And btw, Doomsday regenerated a hell of a lot quicker than Superman by a year I believe.
Did Cell kick the crap out of him and kill Goku? No.
Ummm, Goku didn't have that halo over his head for shits and giggles you know . . .
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:18pm
by Guest
Did I just double post?
Posted: 2002-11-06 12:26pm
by Kuja
Looks that way.
Posted: 2002-11-06 01:17pm
by Yogi
King Cosmos wrote:Yes, Mystic SSJ is between SSJ2 and SSJ3.
Not really. SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't doing that good against Buu compared to Mystic Gohan, who was wiping him all over the floor.
Posted: 2002-11-06 01:26pm
by Guest
Yogi wrote:King Cosmos wrote:Yes, Mystic SSJ is between SSJ2 and SSJ3.
Not really. SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't doing that good against Buu compared to Mystic Gohan, who was wiping him all over the floor.
At most, Mystic SSJ is equal to that of SSJ3. Keep in mind you are comparing Gotenks SSJ3 and not Goku SSJ3.
Posted: 2002-11-06 02:05pm
by jodathalas
I just jumped through without reading any posts so i dont know what you on right now, but Goku takes it all. Batman beat the shit out of superman without any special powers so Goku would flick his pansy ass like a fly. Speaking of which, i love the episodes toonami is showing right now. Gohan is totally awsome.
Posted: 2002-11-06 02:12pm
by Yogi
King Cosmos wrote:At most, Mystic SSJ is equal to that of SSJ3. Keep in mind you are comparing Gotenks SSJ3 and not Goku SSJ3.
WTH is Mystic SSJ? After getting the Mystic powerup, Gohan doesn't go SSJ, unless you count the craptacular Dragonball GT which IS NOT CANON!
Second, it's hard to tell who is stronger between SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan. General fan concensus states that Mystic Gohan is stronger, by the argument Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku. Personally, I think that Kid Buu > Super Buu, making it a bit harder to tell. However, he can definetly outlast Goku.
Posted: 2002-11-06 02:28pm
by jodathalas
SUPERMAN IS A PANSY! BATMAN BEAT HIS PANTIE WEARING ASS!
Posted: 2002-11-06 05:31pm
by THEHOOLIGANJEDI
Give Superman Kryptonite X and things are pretty much moving Up for Superman. With Kryptonite X His Powers increase exponentially b/c he starts uncontrollably absorbing solar energy. His power actually come some what close to Pre-Crisis level. (MOS #30)
As for the whole Doomsday thing, when He fought Superman Before they were both equal in strength. They both wore each other down. As for their second battle Doomday was stronger and had the Defensive and offensive countermeasures to his powers, plus the fact that Nobody can beat DD twice, and the fact that in Huter/Prey DD can evolve instantly to any attack. Goku wouldn't have fared any better. Besides Supes has faced beings far deadlier that Goku.
Posted: 2002-11-06 06:03pm
by Mr Bean
Oh Realy? How many Charater's Posses Plant nuking powers at Age Six? How many of them can blow up the Moon and keep fighting?
Goku has a great speed adavatage over Superman even during the first Goku VS Vegeta Fight
Second Doomsday wore him down through pure raw beat-down, Considering Weak punchs during the first Goku VS Vegeta fight where Destroying City Block sided Rocks thats bodes baddly for the Spandex one