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Wicked Pilot wrote:For those of you who aren't from the United States, let me explain. We just lost our country to the far right. For the next two years, don't expect any enlightment from the U.S.

A lot like Australia. It wasn't that the general populace liked the Liberals (read Australia's right wing party) policies or even the members that they were electing. It was just that the Labour party had no issues and a bunch of dead-heads running for office.

The best way for the US government to run is for the President to be one party and the Congress to be the other. That way each party's stupid pet projects are more likely to fail. I voted primarily Democrat this election, because I strongly dislike Baby Shrub (Jeb Bush for those not in the loop). The ironic thing is that Bill McBride was defeated, yet both the constitutional amendments he supported and ran on as a platform passed despite the fact that Baby Shrub is opposed to them. And of course, there were disenfranchised voters again (I would blow it off, but one of them is a friend's grandmother, so I'm taking it seriously this time and will actually support attempts to have criminal charges filed against the Republican Party, since it was their representatives who did it).

I don't see why the repiglicans in the media make comments about how bad it was before Nov 5. With the exception of judicial nominees and other issues, democrats caved in to Bush constantly. In fact, democrats are more rightwing than ever before. You never see someone, demo or repub, criticised in campaign ads for being too conservative. It's always for being liberal, even in the least.

Republicans have had control of the media since Reagan killed the fairness doctrine. It's a small wonder that they didn't take over the nation earlier, considering the pro-conservative propaganda that airs 24/7 on the network and cable media establishments.

First we had the vote fraud commited by the repigs during the 2000 election. A Texan company handling the felon lists. This same felon list with many thousands of people on there that weren't felons at all, and it's still that way right now. They never bothered to fix it; they merely admitted it had a few errors, then they moved on.

Now we've seen the debut of many new electronic voting systems that leave no paper trail behind. It's going to be easier than ever for republicans to steal those votes.

Damn this is one of the few elections I missed, and due to the runs of all things.

Ultra wrote:I don't see why the repiglicans in the media make comments about how bad it was before Nov 5. With the exception of judicial nominees and other issues, democrats caved in to Bush constantly. In fact, democrats are more rightwing than ever before. You never see someone, demo or repub, criticised in campaign ads for being too conservative. It's always for being liberal, even in the least.

Republicans have had control of the media since Reagan killed the fairness doctrine. It's a small wonder that they didn't take over the nation earlier, considering the pro-conservative propaganda that airs 24/7 on the network and cable media establishments.

First we had the vote fraud commited by the repigs during the 2000 election. A Texan company handling the felon lists. This same felon list with many thousands of people on there that weren't felons at all, and it's still that way right now. They never bothered to fix it; they merely admitted it had a few errors, then they moved on.

Now we've seen the debut of many new electronic voting systems that leave no paper trail behind. It's going to be easier than ever for republicans to steal those votes.

I think your looking through life through singular political view point. There is plenty of opposing views on various media outlets for any political stance. If you look for only one view, you can definatly find it but if you look a little harder for other views you can find them as well.

You people would all fit alot better under the opressive heel of my boot.

HDS for Emperor and God of humanity today, vote now, or just rise up in revolt.

Colonel Olrik wrote:And don't worry. While the U.S sinks more and more into the darkness, Europe will hold as the bastion of freedom of speech and from religion.

Until your population greys into irrelevant old age and shrinks to the point of economic irrelevance. You people are going to go downhill fast unless you can do something--upping the birth rate or accepting more immigrants--to keep your population from shrinking and greying out.

If anything, the future probably belongs to the Chinese...

Knife wrote: I think your looking through life through singular political view point. There is plenty of opposing views on various media outlets for any political stance. If you look for only one view, you can definatly find it but if you look a little harder for other views you can find them as well.

Name a mass media outlet that dares to criticise US foreign policy. Fringe publications like Zmag don't count.

Now name a mass media outlet that was prepared to draw attention to the close ties between the Bush and bin Laden familes and the fact that Shrubby told the security services to back off the bin Ladens (prior to Sept 11) because he didn't want his business partners investigated.

There is no American mass media outlet for views that might lead the sheeple to question the actions of the US government or the unofficial inner circles of power.

Enlightenment wrote:

Colonel Olrik wrote:And don't worry. While the U.S sinks more and more into the darkness, Europe will hold as the bastion of freedom of speech and from religion.

Until your population greys into irrelevant old age and shrinks to the point of economic irrelevance. You people are going to go downhill fast unless you can do something--upping the birth rate or accepting more immigrants--to keep your population from shrinking and greying out.

If anything, the future probably belongs to the Chinese...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO COMMUNISTS, PLEASE!!!!!!

Maybe banning contraception for a while might up the birth rate, after all europe's population must not fall too far behind, otherwise we won't have anyone to fight in a probable war against China,

Enlightenment wrote:

Knife wrote: I think your looking through life through singular political view point. There is plenty of opposing views on various media outlets for any political stance. If you look for only one view, you can definatly find it but if you look a little harder for other views you can find them as well.

Name a mass media outlet that dares to criticise US foreign policy. Fringe publications like Zmag don't count.

Now name a mass media outlet that was prepared to draw attention to the close ties between the Bush and bin Laden familes and the fact that Shrubby told the security services to back off the bin Ladens (prior to Sept 11) because he didn't want his business partners investigated.

There is no American mass media outlet for views that might lead the sheeple to question the actions of the US government or the unofficial inner circles of power.

Exactly, we are slowly turning into a police state. I'll most likely shoot myself in 20-30 years from now. Seriously.

Every other report on CNN, MSNBC, and the others is about some critism by a opposing view be it a member of Congress, Academia, or special interest group slamming the current administration about one thing or another. The New York Times, the LA Times, and other so called mainstream papers have no trouble printing op/ed pieces against the current administration. Various magazines to include Newsweek and Time also have no problem in this regard. On the internet, the choises become even more diverse, and one can find either a news, info, propaganda, or ego stroking web site to ones liking.

Some people come standard with a political filter and see only what they wish to see but that does not mean that the other infomation is not there to be had.

Pu-239 wrote:Green Party all the way!!!!!!




Too bad they will never win an election

I thought that the green party were the modern day Communists... maybe its just New Mexico... But yay, straight ticket republican, I don't like supporting leeches

Pu-239 wrote: NO COMMUNISTS, PLEASE!!!!!!

No one is really sure quite what the PRC is at the moment, but calling it communist is quite a stretch. These days, they're just as much into turning a profit as is the rest of the industrialized world.


The main reason that couples in the western world are stopping at one child is money. The current brand of capitalism hasn't seen fit to pay workers enough to afford to raise the 2.1 kids necessary to keep the population from shrinking. Consider it a confrontation between the unstoppable forces of capitalist greed and the cold hard facts of evolution: in economically optimizing our society to make a few people extremely rich we will be evolving ourselves out of existance. There's a neat irony there, don't you think?

Larz wrote:

Pu-239 wrote:Green Party all the way!!!!!!




Too bad they will never win an election

But yay, straight ticket republican, I don't like supporting leeches

Translation : I don't give a shit about anyone else but myself. What's in it for me, yo?



What do you think is worse : money out of your wallet going to families in need (or according to the repig dictionary : black crackmommas squirting out babies), or money out of your wallet going to corporate entities that don't use that money constructively, rather stuffing it into the pockets of CEOs and rich shareholders?

Enlightenment wrote:

Pu-239 wrote: NO COMMUNISTS, PLEASE!!!!!!

No one is really sure quite what the PRC is at the moment, but calling it communist is quite a stretch. These days, they're just as much into turning a profit as is the rest of the industrialized world.

Forgive him, for he knows nothing of what he talks about. China didn't exactly fit the description of a real communist nation in the past, and certainly isn't going to in the future. In fact, they are turning raw capitalist.

The main reason that couples in the western world are stopping at one child is money. The current brand of capitalism hasn't seen fit to pay workers enough to afford to raise the 2.1 kids necessary to keep the population from shrinking. Consider it a confrontation between the unstoppable forces of capitalist greed and the cold hard facts of evolution: in economically optimizing our society to make a few people extremely rich we will be evolving ourselves out of existance. There's a neat irony there, don't you think?

Watch them try to blame it on taxes. Profits have NOTHING to do with it

Enlightenment wrote:

Colonel Olrik wrote:And don't worry. While the U.S sinks more and more into the darkness, Europe will hold as the bastion of freedom of speech and from religion.

Until your population greys into irrelevant old age and shrinks to the point of economic irrelevance. You people are going to go downhill fast unless you can do something--upping the birth rate or accepting more immigrants--to keep your population from shrinking and greying out

In fact, that's already happening. The population in Portugal (and in the E.U, I believe) has increased this last two years after more than a decade of slow shrinking, due to the new wave of emmigrants from Eastern Europe. It's a very good thing too, because they are highly educated (almost all of them with college degrees) and merge in society very quickly.

So, we don't have with them the kind of exclusion and poverty problems that we have with others.

Eastern Europe will provide the injection of new blood the E.U is needing, with new members like Poland.

weemadando wrote:

Wicked Pilot wrote:For those of you who aren't from the United States, let me explain. We just lost our country to the far right. For the next two years, don't expect any enlightment from the U.S.

A lot like Australia. It wasn't that the general populace liked the Liberals (read Australia's right wing party) policies or even the members that they were electing. It was just that the Labour party had no issues and a bunch of dead-heads running for office.

True. . . what I find somewhat bizarre is that, at the federal level, the Liberals (hardline economic rationalists) trounce Labour (union stooges most of the time), while at the state level it is the other way 'round.

The interesting thing is that this serves as a pretty good brake on the federal government, because if the Liberal Prime Minister gets out of hand, the Labour premiers all object

Also, I'll always prefer someone who thinks with their head instead of their emotions. There is hope of reasoning with the first type, even if it takes time.

I want the Greens/Democrats to get some more seats in the lower house.

Look at Tassie. The Greens very nearly got more seats than the liberals at the last election.

THAT would be amusing.