Arnie May Run For Oval Office In 08

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-09-16 09:12pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:Damn, am I not speaking English to you? I said I DID NOT express an opinion on whether Arnie should be allowed to run or not, but in your previous post you stated, "From my point of view there is no "logical" reason to deny this ammendment." THIS WASN'T MY POINT. My point that thinking logically, according to trend, it will not pass. Comprende?
And I am asking you what "logic" you used to arrive at that conclusion. From where I sit it looks like personal opinion regardless of what you call it. Perhaps you should take a gander at your title.

So when you see what I was saying and find I may have been correct, we resort to "look at your title." Nice cop out.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-09-16 09:13pm

I think it will happen, but not by 08.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-09-16 09:16pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I think it will happen, but not by 08.

If it does, it's going to take a VERY long time in my opinion. I don't think many of the current legislators would approve it.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-09-16 09:16pm

Talon Karrde wrote: So when you see what I was saying and find I may have been correct, we resort to "look at your title." Nice cop out.

Don't be an ass. I am still at a loss as to how you figure that the ammendment won't pass. We've established in the previous posts that the constitution has been ammended plenty of times in the last century, even if it takes a long time. So by all means try and come up with another reason.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-16 09:20pm

I has been ammended plenty of times, but not recently. It has been forty years since the last ammendment. It hasn't been ammended since before I was born. Americans (in public discourse) are increasingly treating the Constitution as holy writ. That's a lot of weight to overcome and you need a very large margin to succeed.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-16 09:26pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:I has been ammended plenty of times, but not recently. It has been forty years since the last ammendment. It hasn't been ammended since before I was born. Americans (in public discourse) are increasingly treating the Constitution as holy writ. That's a lot of weight to overcome and you need a very large margin to succeed.

Guess what! You're wrong. The constitution was amended as recently as 12 years ago.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-09-16 09:34pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I think it will happen, but not by 08.

I'm thinking that it won't happen until it isn't seen as being a thinly veiled attempt to get Arnold into high office, unless he's really, really, really good as the Governor of California in the next few years.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2004-09-16 10:05pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:I think it will happen, but not by 08.
I'm thinking that it won't happen until it isn't seen as being a thinly veiled attempt to get Arnold into high office, unless he's really, really, really good as the Governor of California in the next few years.

I think you are wrong about that. Until the appearance of a foreign born candidate who looks capable of winning a presidential election, there will be no incentive to amend this part of the constitution, and people don't undertake a long, arduous process without incentive. So it will require an attempt to get Arnold, or someone like him into the office to make this amendment happen.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-16 10:58pm

Incidentally, the Democrats might also have an up-and-coming presidential candidate who was foreign-born, if you believe Barack Obama could get that far.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-16 11:18pm

Obama was born in the US. His father is the immigrant.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-09-16 11:24pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:Obama was born in the US. His father is the immigrant.

Really? I thought he was born in Africa before immigrating.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-09-16 11:30pm

If I were of a paranoid, conspiratorial bent of mind, I'd be thinking about now that Arnie's being used as a stalking-horse, with the actual object of the exercise to clear the way for Rupert Murdoch. But that's only if I was of a paranoid, conspiratorial bent of mind...

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-16 11:46pm

Beowulf, what have I forgotten? I would appreciate a reminder.

Thank you

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-17 12:48am

Imperial Overlord wrote:Beowulf, what have I forgotten? I would appreciate a reminder.

Thank you

The 27th amendment finished ratification in 1992. The 26th finished in 1971. The 26th hadn't even been proposed until the 1970s either, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision declaring that a federal law could not lower the voting age to 18 years old for state elections. The 25th amendment was ratified in 1967, and was mostly a result of the Kennedy assassination. 3 amendments in 40 years.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-17 01:08am

What was the 27th ammendment?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2004-09-17 01:34am

Never mind, found it. For some reason, googling something has yet to become a primary or reflexive response when looking for information.

I should ammend my statement. There hasn't been a major ammendment for 40 years, by which I mean a major change in the rights of US citizens. No wonder I forgot about them.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-09-17 03:21am

While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-09-17 09:02am

Talon Karrde wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:The Constitution will not be ammended to allow a foreign-born citizen to run for POTUS.
What exactly are you basing that statement on? If that is your personal opinion than OK, however if you have some real info than please share it.
Do you honestly think it will have the support of 2/3 of congress and 2/3 of the state legislatures? Good luck.

Arnie is a republican and he would be a strong candidate for presidency, if the republicans want a good candidate this is a way to go I think.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-09-17 09:03am

Lord Poe wrote:While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.

Why? What qualification does a natural born citizen have for the job that an immigrant doesn't?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-09-17 09:30am

His Divine Shadow wrote: Arnie is a republican and he would be a strong candidate for presidency, if the republicans want a good candidate this is a way to go I think.

He is also a very intimidating figure who is recognized the world over. He has a global image a take no shit tough guy. Ask yourself this: which president would you least want to face if you were an enemy of the United States: George Bush, John Kerry or Conan the Barbarian?

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2004-09-17 09:54am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: Arnie is a republican and he would be a strong candidate for presidency, if the republicans want a good candidate this is a way to go I think.
He is also a very intimidating figure who is recognized the world over. He has a global image a take no shit tough guy. Ask yourself this: which president would you least want to face if you were an enemy of the United States: George Bush, John Kerry or Conan the Barbarian?

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-09-17 10:07am

Lord Poe wrote:While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.

Why not let the voters decide that in any given election, by removing the ban? If some feel that way, fine. They can just vote against the guy. But the option is not even presented to them under the current system.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-17 10:48am

Lord Poe wrote:While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.

as long as they've been a citizen for a certain amount of years (naturally how many should be up to congress/the senate/whomever) and have demonstrated that they're more concerned with america's interests as opposed to another nation's, i don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to run. hell, i'd imagine arnie would take the presidency by a landslide if he were ever nominated simply due to sheer popularity.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2004-09-17 03:01pm

Batman wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.
Why? What qualification does a natural born citizen have for the job that an immigrant doesn't?

The Republican party leaders would probably prefer he would not run, mainly because he's very moderate.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-17 03:05pm

Talon Karrde wrote:
Batman wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:While I'd love to see Arnie as President, I think the office should be a privilege held by natural born citizens.
Why? What qualification does a natural born citizen have for the job that an immigrant doesn't?
The Republican party leaders would probably prefer he would not run, mainly because he's very moderate.

that still doesn't answer the question as to what qualifications a natural born citizen has that an immigrant doesn't. arnie's political views are irrelevant to that.